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Scammed by DeltaDude, uG David, Fatality` UID=1569971, UID=1387038, UID=170712 - Dexter Moser - Feb 11, 2013

A charge back is getting opened right now. [2/11/13]
Charge back was unsuccessful, my membership was stripped, and no refund was initiated. [3/19/2013]

User:
https://hackforums.net/member.php?action=profile&uid=1387038
https://hackforums.net/member.php?action=profile&uid=170712
https://hackforums.net/member.php?action=profile&uid=1569971

Sales Thread:
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=3201291

His Scam Report (He made the scam report for me charging back, which I haven't even done so yet.):
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=3251343

Story:
A few weeks ago I purchased a package on Grim Booter.
After trying to hit several home IPs offline, none of the attacks worked.
I then asked for a refund through PM...I received no response.
I waited a few days, tried to attack different IPs, and was still unsuccessful.
I then filed a support ticket on the website asking for a refund, and still didn't receive one.
I did receive this response however.
Spoiler (Click to View)
When I purchased the account, I never agreed to any terms, but apparently they updated the ToS since then, and expect me to agree to them.
The ToS wouldn't be under effect if the product doesn't work anyways.
I then PM'd DeltaDude, and asked for a refund.
I received this response.
Spoiler (Click to View)

My Account:
[Image: ee6c68f8e6271a3df1b3c779c0763b5d.png?1360620527]

I would avoid purchasing Grim Booter at all costs.
The booter itself is trash, and the owners are sketchy.


* - Frawshy - Feb 11, 2013

You agreed to their T.O.S. you can't get a refund, the most they can do is add time to your account.
This pretty much stands for all booters.

* - Dexter Moser - Feb 11, 2013

(Feb 11, 2013 03:34 PM)Sandshrew Wrote:  You agreed to their T.O.S. you can't get a refund, the most they can do is add time to your account.
This pretty much stands for all booters.

The issue is, when I bought the package, they had no ToS on the site, or on the thread.
They been updating constantly for the past few weeks, and have updated their ToS.
I never agreed to the terms.


* - Wires - Feb 11, 2013

"No refunds unless agree'd by us" is stated in their ToS. Your not obliged to a refund as the ToS is automatically accepted on purchase. They also have the right to update their ToS anytime without telling you.

* - DeltaDude - Feb 11, 2013

https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=3251343
Scam report is already opened against this user.

* - Dexter Moser - Feb 11, 2013

(Feb 11, 2013 03:36 PM)Reliance. Wrote:  "No refunds unless agree'd by us" is stated in their ToS. Your not obliged to a refund as the ToS is automatically accepted on purchase.

That's not how ToS work...
When Terms are updated, users have to agree upon the updated terms.
If you don't believe this, feel free to Google.
(Feb 11, 2013 03:37 PM)DeltaDude Wrote:  https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=3251343
Scam report is already opened against this user.

You opened a scam report up for me charging back.
I haven't charged back.


* - DeltaDude - Feb 11, 2013

(Feb 11, 2013 03:38 PM)Cʀɪᴍᴇs Wrote:  
That's not how ToS work...
When Terms are updated, users have to agree upon the updated terms.
If you don't believe this, feel free to Google.

You opened a scam report up for me charging back.
I haven't charged back.

Nope, not yet but you are threatening to, and you also opened a scam report for no reason.

* - Funniest - Feb 11, 2013

Sounds like you just wanted your money back. Even if not its about time you get scammed since you have multiple scam reports and you owe me my report or 11$ back..

* - Dexter Moser - Feb 11, 2013

(Feb 11, 2013 03:40 PM)DeltaDude Wrote:  Nope, not yet but you are threatening to, and also opened a scam report for no reason.

For no reason?
You blatantly cheated me out of 30$.
Then got your friends to negative rep me, and 'vouch' on a scam report.
I might as well expose Grim Booter for being a scam...


* - DeltaDude - Feb 11, 2013

(Feb 11, 2013 03:42 PM)Cʀɪᴍᴇs Wrote:  
For no reason?
You blatantly cheated me out of 30$.
Then got your friends to negative rep me, and 'vouch' on a scam report.
I might as well expose Grim Booter for being a scam...

You still have your account on the booter, you asked for a refund we said no...

and those "friends" are staff and are looking at you wondering what your issue is.

* - Dexter Moser - Feb 11, 2013

(Feb 11, 2013 03:44 PM)DeltaDude Wrote:  You still have your account on the booter, you asked for a refund we said no...

and those "friends" are staff and are looking at you wondering what your issue is.

It's simple.
Issue refunds = happy customers.


* - Ѕpade - Feb 11, 2013

Once you buy something if you agree to the TOS you can't get a refund!

* - DeltaDude - Feb 11, 2013

When he purchased we also had a different source, i pulled up the old tos it stated as follows
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<li><br>-Do not use this tool on any servers that are not your own.</li>
<li><br>-Do not abuse the stresser. "Abuse" of the this stresser is defined as the following: Attacking the same IP repeatedly before the first attack against that IP expires</li>
<li><br>-Do not share login information with others we will ban your account.</li>
<li><br>-This tool is for educational purposes only</li>
<li><br>-This tool is for personal use ony</li>
<li><br>-Macro's / autoclickers are strictly prohibited</li>
<li><br>-DDOS services are strictly prohibited</li>
<li><br>-We reserve the right to revoke your membership at any time, for any reason</li>
<li><br>-We are not responsible for what you do with this tool. You are liable for any damages done.</li>
<li><br>-We reserve the right to close down at anytime for any reason.</li>
<li><br>-Lifetime purchases are for the life of the site</li>
<li><br>-This tool is meant to be a network stresser for networks that you own! This is not meant to be used in inappropriate / illegal ways. Doing so is considered abuse.</li>
<li><br>-All sales are final charge backs will result in a scam report.</li>


* - Fatality` - Feb 11, 2013

Crime your not making sense.
We have reviewed our PM,s and show no evidence you attempted to contact us with issues or refund during the time frames you speak of.
The message's we have seen from you in the ticket system express your delight with the service and then abruptly asking for a refund
as you wish to use the money for other financial obligations.

A terms of service has been available since the beginning of grim even prior to using my sources.
ToS aside, show me a booter that allows refunds after 24 hours?

* - Dexter Moser - Feb 11, 2013

(Feb 11, 2013 03:51 PM)Fatality` Wrote:  Crime your not making sense.
We have reviewed our PM,s and show no evidence you attempted to contact us with issues or refund during the time frames you speak of.
The message's we have seen from you in the ticket system express your delight with the service and then abruptly asking for a refund
as you wish to use the money for other financial obligations.

A terms of service has been available since the beginning of grim even prior to using my sources.
ToS aside, show me a booter that allows refunds after 24 hours?

I'm sure Delta would love to show you my PM asking for a refund about 2 hours after I bought it.