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Vacation ban assisting scammers avoiding the heat? - Seisou - Oct 23, 2014
I was reading here
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4502349
And I have seen this 0x68 user with tonnes of scam reports that all have solid evidence. I know staff don't take action, but what, is this like some kind of scamming niche that people do? They scam then ban themselves so they don't have to take the heat and come back with nothing on their shoulders?
I think the self-vacation ban thing needs to be changed or removed, it does more bad than good, people should also learn some self control and if it really has to be done, they can just ask a staff to ban them.
I just don't think it's right, that guy and others I have seen need to be perm banned for being cowards and obviously scamming.
Edit: Pretty much what I am saying, is that the self-ban feature is basically a built-in scamming tool.
* - Xepher The Cat - Oct 23, 2014
HackForums staff don't get involved with deal disputes.
* - Seisou - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:27 AM)Xеpher Wrote: HackForums staff don't get involved with deal disputes.
Well I have seen staff say they do, so Idk what you're on about.
* - clark.dll - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:29 AM)Seisou Wrote: Well I have seen staff say they do, so Idk what you're on about.
No, they do not. Omni himself has said countless times that staff do not get involved with scam reports. I don't know why people scam and then ban themselves.. it's not like we'll forget what they did.
Anyway, Deal at your own risk.
* - Seisou - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:30 AM)Clark Wrote: No, they do not. Omni himself has said countless times that staff do not get involved with scam reports. I don't know why people scam and then ban themselves.. it's not like we'll forget what they did.
Anyway, Deal at your own risk.
Okay, well they don't get involved, but they take action when deemed worthy.
I was pointing out this 0x68 guy as an example. Do staff just assume he's punished himself?
* - clark.dll - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:32 AM)Seisou Wrote: Okay, well they don't get involved, but they take action when deemed worthy.
I was pointing out this 0x68 guy as an example. Do staff just assume he's punished himself?
They're free to assume whatever they wish. They're more than likely not going to get involved.
* - Patrick Jane - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:30 AM)Clark Wrote: No, they do not. Omni himself has said countless times that staff do not get involved with scam reports. I don't know why people scam and then ban themselves.. it's not like we'll forget what they did.
Anyway, Deal at your own risk.
This is true, however, at times he does take action and ban scammers here and there.
* - Seisou - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:33 AM)Clark Wrote: They're free to assume whatever they wish. They're more than likely not going to get involved.
What are you talking about? Of course they are free to assume whatever they want.. You're not really answering my questions and being insanely blunt.
For the cases where let's say Omniscient looks over a scammer who has obviously scammed and vacation banned himself, and let's say if he didn't, he closed him and removed his rep. I am just trying to understand why is this vacation ban thing even allowed, it's literally a built-in scamming tool.
* - clark.dll - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:37 AM)Seisou Wrote: What are you talking about? Of course they are free to assume whatever they want.. You're not really answering my questions and being insanely blunt.
For the cases where let's say Omniscient looks over a scammer who has obviously scammed and vacation banned himself, and let's say if he didn't, he closed him and removed his rep. I am just trying to understand why is this vacation ban thing even allowed, it's literally a built-in scamming tool.
Vacation bans are an ub3r feature and they will not be going anywhere. Self vacation bans save Staff members time and I personally love the addition. I could scam right now, and still take a vacation ban, I'd just have to ask first.. it's not like staff would know, or even care. It's not a built in scamming tool at all, it has nothing to do with scamming.
* - Seisou - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:40 AM)Clark Wrote: Vacation bans are an ub3r feature and they will not be going anywhere. Self vacation bans save Staff members time and I personally love the addition. I could scam right now, and still take a vacation ban, I'd just have to ask first.. it's not like staff would know, or even care. It's not a built in scamming tool at all, it has nothing to do with scamming.
You're not willing to look at it through different angles, can't really be bothered to force it in to a close minded person. No hate, but you're just being blunt and it's kind of childish.
No, of course it's primary perk isn't for scamming, just like BTC isn't just for scamming either. I am just saying, it's an easy way out when staff could take action, and it could change the entire fate of a situation if let's say instead of scamming and self-banning, they had to request a ban, a staff hovers over there account for like 5 seconds and spots scam reports or what-not, bam perm-banned.
* - Orianthi - Oct 23, 2014
I agree with OP, its a great way a scammer can scam.
* - Seisou - Oct 23, 2014
Here is someones post on another thread in the lounge, pretty much what I am trying to say is that scammers shouldn't be able to do this stuff as easy as 1,2,3.
(Oct 23, 2014 08:34 AM)Thathackerdude Wrote: Heh, Honestly Ub3r's have it so easy to scam
> Scam people
>Take a vocation ban
>Everyone forgets
>Changes name
>Repeats
* - Patrick Jane - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:37 AM)Seisou Wrote: What are you talking about? Of course they are free to assume whatever they want.. You're not really answering my questions and being insanely blunt.
For the cases where let's say Omniscient looks over a scammer who has obviously scammed and vacation banned himself, and let's say if he didn't, he closed him and removed his rep. I am just trying to understand why is this vacation ban thing even allowed, it's literally a built-in scamming tool.
I don't get how you're seeing it as a scamming tool. Even if someone vacation banned themself after scamming someone they would still not get away with it in any way. It doesn't stop Staff from closing their accounts if they wished to.
* - clark.dll - Oct 23, 2014
(Oct 23, 2014 08:45 AM)Seisou Wrote: You're not willing to look at it through different angles, can't really be bothered to force it in to a close minded person. No hate, but you're just being blunt and it's kind of childish.
No, of course it's primary perk isn't for scamming, just like BTC isn't just for scamming either. I am just saying, it's an easy way out when staff could take action, and it could change the entire fate of a situation if let's say instead of scamming and self-banning, they had to request a ban, a staff hovers over there account for like 5 seconds and spots scam reports or what-not, bam perm-banned.
What? You wanted to know why it even existed and I'm just explaining it to you, and why Omni won't remove it like you suggested in the OP.
(Oct 23, 2014 08:49 AM)Patrick Jane Wrote: I don't get how you're seeing it as a scamming tool. Even if someone vacation banned themself they would still not get away with it in any way. It doesn't stop Staff from closing their accounts if they wished to.
this.
* - ๖ۣۜCriminal - Oct 23, 2014
Because the majority of the marketplace(90%) are all scammers and con artists, especially those doxing services, most of them are all bullshit and then they try to save face by making a bullshit lie up when they get called out eventually then pussy out when all the members associated with the services gets doxed, I mean why run a doxing service if it's so easy to dox the person running it in the first place, it's a huge contradiction.It also makes the scammer look innocent and make it look like they got hacked or whatever by vacation banning them selves, it could be a variety of scenarios.The best mitigation would be to limit the vacation bans because it seems highly abused for malicious intentions(scamming).