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So, are you killing the Anime Industry? :3 - DerMensch24 - Jul 16, 2016
Found this video online, while it is a bit cringy at a few points they do point out some numbers, facts, and so forth. I've heard the argument many times from both sides who say that the fans do or do not affect the market, but thought it'd be fun to bring back the discussion. So, are you killing the Anime Industry? :3
* - Mafty Navue Erin - Jul 16, 2016
The Japanese are mainly the only ones who support the industry.
This is mainly because anime is directly marketed there as compared to other countries like America.
In order for other countries to legally have anime marketed, they have to purchase licenses from Japan.
So by the Japanese illegally leaking new episodes and selling licenses for streaming to companies, it is honestly only supporting the industry more than it originally would.
You're still marketing anime but not doing it in the way you intended.
And the biggest fault about legal streaming websites is their licensing. They are only limited to a certain selection of anime.
I would say the best thing we could do to support the industry is by buying marketed products directly from Japan.
* - Omoi - Jul 16, 2016
I buy manga and some dvds however I also stream :P
* - Crya - Jul 16, 2016
Another anime youtuber did a video on this about a year ago. If you don't go though official outlets to watch anime or buy merch then you are not supporting the market or the shows. If you watch on sites like kissanime then the only people who get the money it the owners of the website. I don't care whether someone does or not, but then don't complain about a second season or a dub that you want if you just plan to leech off others.
* - Sorun - Jul 16, 2016
Who cares if the industry dies? I doubt your pennies to crunchyroll make a difference to the actual studios. The guy only makes one point that matters and its to buy merch. Ohhh hurrr durrr here's this arbitrary article explaining what the losses could be.
* - Crya - Jul 16, 2016
(Jul 16, 2016 11:05 AM)Sorun Wrote: Who cares if the industry dies? I doubt your pennies to crunchyroll make a difference to the actual studios. The guy only makes one point that matters and its to buy merch. Ohhh hurrr durrr here's this arbitrary article explaining what the losses could be.People's subscriptions opens to licensing to the studios which is where a bulk of what the money comes from. If they don't get a good flow of traffic then they won't further license it to a home release or other versions. I personally torrent my anime, but I'm just stating the facts.
I bet you're the same person that complains about a shitty government, but then doesn't actually vote.
* - DerMensch24 - Jul 16, 2016
I do tend to find that fans, whether it be for anime, gaming, etc are often the cause for worsening products of the genre. For example, if an anime is released and does amazingly well, this generates interest in the anime and more ppl invest, time, money, etc into it. However, this is where the double-edged sword is in play. Because there was such a high standard for the first anime, fans want something that meets that expectation and its often very hard for S2's to pull this off. There's often the phrase "keep what works," but many fans hate re-using the same techniques, story, etc despite them being so successful the first time. This is where the creators/developers feel the need to change it in order to appeal to their audience and then they get crapped on for changing up the anime despite the high response from fans to do so. This isn't true of every anime, video game, etc. but I do see it a lot, and sadly its not going away any time soon. I tend to find that the most merit-worthy anime are those that stuck it through the entire way regardless of what anyone else thought.
On another note, I do find it an interesting fact however that the anime market is particularly only focused in Japan. Yes, it is made for a Japanese audience, but the anime/manga community around the world has grown to such a degree that not tapping into potential markets seems like a massive opportunity cost.
* - Mafty Navue Erin - Jul 16, 2016
(Jul 16, 2016 07:37 PM)DerMensch24 Wrote: I do tend to find that fans, whether it be for anime, gaming, etc are often the cause for worsening products of the genre. For example, if an anime is released and does amazingly well, this generates interest in the anime and more ppl invest, time, money, etc into it. However, this is where the double-edged sword is in play. Because there was such a high standard for the first anime, fans want something that meets that expectation and its often very hard for S2's to pull this off. There's often the phrase "keep what works," but many fans hate re-using the same techniques, story, etc despite them being so successful the first time. This is where the creators/developers feel the need to change it in order to appeal to their audience and then they get crapped on for changing up the anime despite the high response from fans to do so. This isn't true of every anime, video game, etc. but I do see it a lot, and sadly its not going away any time soon. I tend to find that the most merit-worthy anime are those that stuck it through the entire way regardless of what anyone else thought.
On another note, I do find it an interesting fact however that the anime market is particularly only focused in Japan. Yes, it is made for a Japanese audience, but the anime/manga community around the world has grown to such a degree that not tapping into potential markets seems like a massive opportunity cost.
I can say that in these more recent years that Japanese production companies have started allowing themselves to market and sell licenses to other countries more. There are several legal streaming companies now.
Though I really like how FUNimation has taken the initiative to sort of go above and beyond by not only buying licenses for English dubs, but also licenses to legally stream Japanese dubbed/subbed anime on their website. In comparison to Crunchyroll they are doing a much better job at subscription streaming, inventory/selection of anime, product marketing, and support to the industry.
* - Esdese - Jul 16, 2016
I buy hella blu rays if that counts, still use sites like kissanime though
* - DerMensch24 - Jul 16, 2016
(Jul 16, 2016 07:53 PM)Faulkner Wrote: I can say that in these more recent years that Japanese production companies have started allowing themselves to market and sell licenses to other countries more. There are several legal streaming companies now.
Though I really like how FUNimation has taken the initiative to sort of go above and beyond by not only buying licenses for English dubs, but also licenses to legally stream Japanese dubbed/subbed anime on their website. In comparison to Crunchyroll they are doing a much better job at subscription streaming, inventory/selection of anime, product marketing, and support to the industry.
Mhm, FUNimation is making a good contribution, same as with working with Toonami for promoting anime (miss Toonami back when they were playing earlier than they do now haha). However, it also would seem odd for Japanese production companies in general to start making anime for non-Japanese audiences. I do hope that the fair use of legal licensing of anime does go up in the coming years though, will finally be able to walk into a store that has more than a simple shelf of anime ;)
* - Sorun - Jul 16, 2016
(Jul 16, 2016 11:10 AM)Crya Wrote: People's subscriptions opens to licensing to the studios which is where a bulk of what the money comes from. If they don't get a good flow of traffic then they won't further license it to a home release or other versions. I personally torrent my anime, but I'm just stating the facts.
I bet you're the same person that complains about a shitty government, but then doesn't actually vote.
Pull up actual numbers before you talk shit. CR has never announced how much they actually support the industry and when asked time after time they say "most" of your subcription fee goes to licensing fees. It's a undisputed fact that merch will always be how studios make a bulk of their profit.
Hurrr durr you don't care anime
huurrrr you must not care about your well being
Gtfo this board and go back to reddit
* - ankitkhosya - Jul 17, 2016
I couldn't care less if anime industry dies, atleast those chinese slaves they use for creating animations can go back to their country then.
* - NKVD - Jul 17, 2016
No. Japan and its culture as a whole is dying.
* - ankitkhosya - Jul 17, 2016
(Jul 17, 2016 07:07 AM)Niku Wrote: No. Japan and its culture as a whole is dying.
japan's shut in degrading youth could not said it better themselves.ðŸ¤
* - Uiqueblhats - Jul 17, 2016
yes i am destroying anime industry because if anime never existed i could have made like $100k+ till now