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Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - Saltpeter - May 15, 2018
Quote:I have just finished having a discussion with Mod Mat K, who is threatening legal action against RuneLite for copyright infringement if it is not shut down by the end of the week.
I inquired specifically what parts of RuneLite violate Jagex's copyright so that I could take it down, and even offered to close source the project, but MMK insisted that the entire project must be shut down, and gave no specifics about the copyright infringement claims, and only said legal action would be taken.
I was also informed that they were "working on" shutting down both OSB and Konduit, and that I was the "first" to be contacted.
RuneLite is certainly in a grey area to my knowledge of copyright law. I have no issue working with Jagex to remove parts of it from the public eye if requested. I would also have no issue shutting down the entire client if all 3rd party clients were banned. However, I do have an issue with shutting down the entire client while OSBuddy is allowed to operate.
While I agree that RuneLite does threaten the integrity of the game, what threatens it even more is that I have to buy OSBuddy in order to gain the same competitive advantages of other players in game. RuneLite exists to try and level the playing field as to who can develop on the client, of which I think it has done well.
Jagex, please work with me here instead of singling us out. We love the game, and have great respect for you, but this is not an acceptable way of dealing with the third party clients.
If anyone within the community happens to be a (copyright) lawyer, please contact me.
- Adam
This was posted a day ago on the RuneLite website. It seems incredibly shady to me that the only client out of the bunch that was open source and fully free to use was contacted first. If this is true about Jagex banning all third-party clients this could certainly be dark days ahead. I doubt I could go back to the vanilla client at this point.
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RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - Tree Hugger - May 15, 2018
I honestly wouldn't mind if all 3rd party clients were banned. Some are getting to advantageous. If they only target this one client though that is some BS
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - DeadShot2 - May 15, 2018
It's funny they are going after Runelite first and not OSBuddy or Konduit.
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - Korvo - May 16, 2018
Wow man that's really shitty. I love using Runelite. Maybe if jagex would make a proper client, we wouldn't have this issue. I've been playing since basically the start of runescape, and this is the shittiest I've ever seen jagex be.
It's funny how they are taking soooo long to release mobile..Shit fortnite, which is more graphically intense has a mobile version..so does PUBG. Jagex is slack af now.
Also if you're using Runelite, just as a safety measure I HIGHLY suggest changing your password. If/when runelite does get shut down, don't want the creator taking all the shit.
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - LazyNotStupid - May 16, 2018
OSBuddy developer said jagex isn't going to shut them down.
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - Korvo - May 16, 2018
(May 16, 2018 03:57 AM)LazyNotStupid Wrote: OSBuddy developer said jagex isn't going to shut them down.
Yeah that's more than likely because the receive a cut on the OSB Pro memberships. Jagex is just in it for the money. They have seriously gone down hill as of lately.
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - Dean Winchester - May 16, 2018
(May 16, 2018 03:25 AM)ɢɑɱɓɨʈ Wrote: Wow man that's really shitty. I love using Runelite. Maybe if jagex would make a proper client, we wouldn't have this issue. I've been playing since basically the start of runescape, and this is the shittiest I've ever seen jagex be.
It's funny how they are taking soooo long to release mobile..Shit fortnite, which is more graphically intense has a mobile version..so does PUBG. Jagex is slack af now.
Also if you're using Runelite, just as a safety measure I HIGHLY suggest changing your password. If/when runelite does get shut down, don't want the creator taking all the shit.
It's open sourced, any change can be viewed publicly, nobody is stealing your passwords.
(May 15, 2018 10:15 PM)Tree Hugger Wrote: I honestly wouldn't mind if all 3rd party clients were banned. Some are getting to advantageous. If they only target this one client though that is some BS
There are a lot of features that are OP, yes, but there are also a fuckton of features that are only QoL and give no advantage
If they are going to get rid of all clients at least work on the vanilla client
It is so bad
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - Saltpeter - May 16, 2018
We have a statement from Jagex now. http://services.runescape.com/m=news/third-party-client-update?oldschool=1
Seems like RuneLite is the only one that infringes on their copyright according to them. This is absolute garbage, the creator even offered to make the project closed source to avoid this and Jagex refused.
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - TB12 - May 16, 2018
(May 16, 2018 08:59 AM)Aerodactyl Wrote: We have a statement from Jagex now. http://services.runescape.com/m=news/third-party-client-update?oldschool=1
Seems like RuneLite is the only one that infringes on their copyright according to them. This is absolute garbage, the creator even offered to make the project closed source to avoid this and Jagex refused.
Pretty retarded that closed source isn't enough for them. When I use to play I would use OSBuddy, glad to see they aren't fucked at least
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - Tree Hugger - May 16, 2018
If Runelite goes someone will just fork the client
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - I Am Kira - May 16, 2018
(May 16, 2018 01:40 PM)Tree Hugger Wrote: If Runelite goes someone will just fork the client
This lol ^ If it's open source I may as well. Is RL client detectable to Fagex?
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - luv. - May 16, 2018
(May 16, 2018 03:57 AM)LazyNotStupid Wrote: OSBuddy developer said jagex isn't going to shut them down.
Didn't the guy who make this go on and work for Jagex?
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - DeadShot2 - May 16, 2018
Response from runelite dev :
First off, I would like to thank everyone in the community showing so much support for RuneLite. What Jagex did was clearly a great injustice.
It is unfortunate the only way I seem to be able to have any meaningful discussion with Jagex is via loud blog posts.
I have read the Third Party Client Update and it contains some new details to me. Specifically, the "sharing of tools used to deobfuscate Old School RuneScape code, and then re-publishing said code.".
So, I have stripped the aforementioned tools and RuneScape client from GitHub. I will be removing the other distributions off of the server shortly.
Unfortunately this means now RuneLite will be only partially-open source. RuneLite is BSD-2 licensed and the license permits me to do this. This will hinder new contributions some in that they cannot learn of and create new APIs for client access, but we already have a well established API which can be used in the majority of cases.
I don't really agree with some of the reasoning behind this, bots have existed before RuneLite existed, and I'm sure some of them have a better knowledge of the game than I do, but if it must be taken down, then okay.
Regarding "The conversation with RuneLite is part of the long-term strategy and approach for all 3rd party clients and the future of our own official client.", as started in the initial post, I have no problem shutting down RuneLite if all third party clients are to be shut down. But I will not shut it down with the other clients still running.
Jagex, if you have objections to any other aspect of RuneLite, I would prefer if you contacted me and told me about it, instead of threatening me to take down the entire project. I have no problem working with you to address any concerns.
There is a large portion of RuneLite code that Jagex definitely has no claim over, and it belongs to me, and to the many contributors to the project, and I think it is wrong for you to claim it must all be removed.
- Adam
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - Dean Winchester - May 16, 2018
(May 16, 2018 02:04 PM)luv. Wrote: Didn't the guy who make this go on and work for Jagex?
osbuddy's developer started with "rsbuddy" which was a bot made for osrs or rs, jagex found him and decided to hire him, he quit in 2013 or smth and made osbuddy after that, based off the code he used for rsbuddy
RE: Jagex Threatens RuneLite Into Shutting Down - tutus - May 16, 2018
well bro i just want to skip the message on the index page