(Jul 29, 2019 09:31 AM)jasonleto Wrote:  Been seeing more and more sales thread of sellers selling "immoral, scummy, unethical" methods. I don't know but there have been a few times were I bought something and it was straight up scamming people.

There is a difference between illegal and black hat. BH is breaking terms of service, it seems a lot of people don't know the difference anymore between the 2.

and most of the methods come at a high price, which is fine but since you don't know "how" immoral it is you kinda fuked when you buy it. You can't ask for a refund because then they say that they put BH in the title and now you know the method blablabla.

a few months back I bought a botting mentorship and the guy's method was. infect start up coin business and transfer the coins to your wallet. I told him thats not BH anymore thats straight up stealing and illegal, he geniually didn't see the difference.

Things are getting a little bit out of hand... again.

(Jul 29, 2019 05:44 PM)jasonleto Wrote:  No buying links to your website is blackhat.

Bh never had anything to do with hacking.

(Jul 29, 2019 05:45 PM)Pronouncer Wrote:  Thats not blackhat. Buying backlinks is perfectly legal.

(Jul 29, 2019 06:10 PM)jasonleto Wrote:  Send an email to google and ask them if buying backlinks, web 2.0 links or using a pbn is white hat.

Sorry to break it too you thats pure BH and against tos.

Hacking is illegal point blank.

(Jul 30, 2019 08:53 AM)Porn Wrote:  The immoral and unethical methods people are selling are called greyhat methods. Some methods include abusing support, selling something that's not genuine, or straight up scamming people from another forum. All of those scummy methods are greyhat, nothing will happen. It's not blackhat until you know if you get caught you might do 5-10 years in federal prison. (operating large botnet, exploiting banks, harvesting credit cards, etc.)

(Jul 30, 2019 09:46 AM)Pronouncer Wrote:  Abusing support = Social Engineering = Blackhat
Selling non genguine items = Blackhat and stealing
Scamming = Stealing = Blackhat

Either of these can end up in a jail sentance.

By definition Grey hat = Hacking for a better cause/reason EG political hacking.
Blackhat = hacking for personal/monetary gain
Whitehat = Legal hacking where you are licensed.

Scamming, SE, Stealing, Fraud is not grey hat its all blackhat.

(Jul 30, 2019 09:59 AM)Porn Wrote:  Yes, but op is talking about the methods being sold on hackforums. Nobody will go to jail for selling non genuine items or scamming on these cracking/hacking forums. The worse case scenario is they take you to small claims court and you have to pay $500 fine. But.. they probably won't even live in the same country so that won't even happen lol.

(Jul 30, 2019 01:18 PM)Chief Bromden Wrote:  Yeah but is evading a companies TOS blwckhat? Yes right.

(Jul 30, 2019 01:41 PM)Porn Wrote:  If we consider breaking tos as blackhat, every single method being sold on hackforums right now is blackhat. The tos on any website can be very strict, if you mistype your legal name by accident when registering you broke tos that is blackhat? It is very easy to break tos sometimes you don't even know your doing it.