(Dec 15, 2019 04:04 AM)LoremIpsum Wrote:  For me, it would be all depending on the effort, the risk and the 'damage' you leave behind.
For example, exploiting a hack from Windows without any damage done but being able to get a bounty of $10k? I'd pay $500 easily.
Paying $50 for example for some 'bank phishing' program or website, where you 'could' get $10k a day? No thanks. Not worth the risk, and I don't steal from people.

So long story short; rate the method from easy to master, from fast to longterm and from $0 investment up to .... and I will be able to give you a fair price what I'd pay for it. Too many things depend on a price except the revenues, in my opinion.

(Dec 15, 2019 04:49 AM)Bear Wrote:  Your first example doesnt have anything black hat in it. Just because someone exploited a vuln doesnt make it black hat, its what you do with said vuln is when such terms are used.

(Dec 15, 2019 04:53 AM)LoremIpsum Wrote:  And the other examples I said? You're attacking me on the little mistake I made, but I asked you questions which do play a big part in the price. So, that been said, please let me know what you had in mind or how hard it's to do (from easy to master) and I can give you a good price as example.

No need to point out what I am doing wrong, if I'm trying to explain on a child-thinking-level what aspects you should include in your thread in order for us to make a good reply. I know what black hat is, but imagine me asking 'how much would you pay for my bank account?' Depends how much is in my bank, how much money I can transfer at once and if you get the bank pin or not. Stupid example, again, but I hope you get my point this time without referring to the small mistakes I make in my replies to do you a favour basically. Thank you for understanding 🤝

(Dec 15, 2019 05:22 AM)Bear Wrote:  I mean no offense nor did I mean to attack you. Im sorry if thats what it sounded like.

What if the method isnt based on chance, but more so on how well you can do it. The profits are also not based on chance, its all based on how well the method can be implemented. Profits could be upto $x,xxx a day.

(Dec 15, 2019 05:26 AM)LoremIpsum Wrote:  No problem, I should keep my temper for myself too. I felt attacked but didn't ask you first if it was meant that way. I'm sorry, too.
Okay, so you're saying that the method is basically simple, without much risk, but the revenues are all depending on the time you invest and your skills.
May I ask if skills are required like hacking, social engineering, programming or anything like that? If so. Making up to $1000 a day would be worth spending $500+
Like a job as a cab driver, if you're going to make $50 a day, don't buy a $10k car. But if you're driving around the President and Royalty members, make sure your car is as fancy as it can be.

$1000 a day, is $22k a month (2 days off a week) which mean you can ask easily $500+ in my opinion. But HF knowing, it will be reduced to $99 or $29. I seen methods here claiming $500/day selling for $30. So I don't think you'll get the real value of your blackhat method here. Just my opinion, btw.  🤝

(Dec 15, 2019 05:49 AM)Bear Wrote:  The profits only depend on how well you can bind your opsec and your anonymity. If thats good, then any person who knows how to speak/write/read english and knows how computers work can do this and make upwards of a few grand a day easily.

It doesnt involve any of the skills you mentioned, not atleast from your end atleast.

Youre right, HF wise, price will be not as good, which is why I am just asking to see how it goes. I really appreciate your feedback.

(Dec 15, 2019 05:49 AM)Bear Wrote:  The profits only depend on how well you can bind your opsec and your anonymity. If thats good, then any person who knows how to speak/write/read english and knows how computers work can do this and make upwards of a few grand a day easily.

It doesnt involve any of the skills you mentioned, not atleast from your end atleast.

Youre right, HF wise, price will be not as good, which is why I am just asking to see how it goes. I really appreciate your feedback.

(Dec 15, 2019 05:53 AM)spiral Wrote:  If you plan on selling this on here, sell it for a few grand at least, probably won't get any sales, but better than letting it go for too cheap tbh.

(Dec 15, 2019 06:25 AM)LoremIpsum Wrote:  I'd say sell this method for anywhere from $3000 up to $5000. It costs a lot of money to invest, but if it's the only investment you need. $5k will be nothing compared to the $1k/day it can bring you in return.

This. If too many people are doing it for $500 investment, it might get saturated. Selling it for $3000+ will make sure that nobody will leak it or decreased the odds so to speak.