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Please read this article and learn from it - Razοr - May 16, 2014 So we all should by now know that the current ongoing raids are legit and not a huge troll/smear campaign/attention whoring. On May 14 reuters released an article that is most likely connected to this: Code (For other news from the Reuters Cybersecurity Summit, click on www.reuters.com/summit/Cyber14) (Adds comments from FBI official, background)http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/14/cyber-summit-fbi-idUSL1N0O026420140514?irpc=932 We can expect more similar events in future. I often read something like this: "Good that i bought IM3 and not BlackShades". PLEASE do not feel secure because of this. The FBI can get the customer data of ANY RAT if they want and they will most likely start investigations on other RATs too. If you have ever bought a RAT and left on a single little trace you are in fact in danger to have a warrant against you in future. While most people here know that RATing is not as bad as owning a botnet it is still enough to get your electronics taken away and if used for any illegal activity it can even lead (it is unlikely, but can!) to jail time. So don't continue to tell people the FBI doesn't care about RATing, that a VPN will protect them from getting caught or that you don't need to expect any punishment. Owning a RAT can lead to investigations against you, it doesn't matter which RAT and it also doesn't matter if you bought it with Cryptocurrencies or used a VPN/Proxy w/e. We are talking about FBI investigations here and they do know how to trace you. So stay safe and if you can't deal with the consequences please do not buy any RAT. 🤝 Razor. * - DaRkReD - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 06:59 AM)Razοr Wrote: you are in fact in danger to have a warrant against you in future. This is not entirely true. In the USA they would be hard pressed to get a warrant for owning a copy of blackshades as its not illegal to own them in the USA. Computer Fraud and Abuse act is broad but it boils down to "Did the malware touch any computer not owned by the individual?" and that is very hard to prove from just some paypal records. Maybe if you are posting threads saying "CHEK MUH 40000 BOT BOTNET BITZCHZ" then you will have trouble, but thats to be expected. US users are most likely very safe. Whats happening in non-us countries is that they get a call from the FBI that says "Oh yeah xyz is a computer hacker we traced him to buying some sweet illegal things" then the cops in that country head on over, raid that kid. Steal his computers which are running unencrypted drives and find proof to charge him with. Basically seizing stuff to find ways you violated the law, pretty crazy. So generally if you bought blackshades and didnt use it for malicious uses and live in the USA you are probably fine. But other countries have other laws, for example in japan its illegal to even keep malware samples without a court order. Thus blackshades would be illegal. Know your laws, Make sure your drives are secure and nothing will come of it Disclaimer: Im not a lawyer * - Cannabis. - May 16, 2014 This is entirely true and i hope everyone stays safe, I actually know someone who was arrested 2 days ago for a botnet of mediocre size. In my opinion there are far more pressing issues they could be concerned with lol they are just flexing, it will pass over when they realize they really cant do much. * - Razοr - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 07:10 AM)DaRkReD Wrote: This is not entirely true. In the USA they would be hard pressed to get a warrant for owning a copy of blackshades as its not illegal to own them in the USA. Computer Fraud and Abuse act is broad but it boils down to "Did the malware touch any computer not owned by the individual?" and that is very hard to prove from just some paypal records. Maybe if you are posting threads saying "CHEK MUH 40000 BOT BOTNET BITZCHZ" then you will have trouble, but thats to be expected. US users are most likely very safe.Sadly the pure suspicion of a crime is enough to get a warrant. I personally never used BlackShades for anything illegal and still my electronics are taken away. If you say that we should know our laws, then please inform yourself correctly before. * - DaRkReD - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 07:16 AM)Razοr Wrote: Sadly the pure suspicion of a crime is enough to get a warrant. Yes but owning blackshades isnt a crime and they have no proof you are using it for malicious uses. It would be like attempting to get a warrant because someone owns a gun and thus might shoot someone with it. What country were you in? * - Razοr - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 07:21 AM)DaRkReD Wrote: Yes but owning blackshades isnt a crime and they have no proof you are using it for malicious uses. It would be like attempting to get a warrant because someone owns a gun and thus might shoot someone with it.I am German. Sure owning BlackShades is not illegal at all, but as it is mostly used for malicious stuff they suspect you to do illegal stuff with it. That is what they base their warrants on and there was an US raid with such a warrant too. Warrants are made to find proof not because of proof. 🤝 * - DaRkReD - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 07:24 AM)Razοr Wrote: I am German.natürlich, the FBI is highly regarded amoung the international community. One call from them and suddenly you have some interested german parties. (May 16, 2014 07:24 AM)Razοr Wrote: Sure owning BlackShades is not illegal at all, but as it is mostly used for malicious stuff they suspect you to do illegal stuff with it. That is what they base their warrants on and there was an US raid with such a warrant too. Warrants are made to find proof not because of proof. 🤝 My bit about warrants was directed at USA based people, I know a bit of german but no german law * - Hidden™ - May 16, 2014 They are trying to instill fear, this is a fear tactic. Just hold on to your balls until this and the net neutrality thing blows over. * - Razοr - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 07:27 AM)DaRkReD Wrote: natürlich, the FBI is highly regarded amoung the international community. One call from them and suddenly you have some interested german parties.I did read a lot about warrants the last few days and I can sadly tell you that you can definitely get victim of a search-warrant for buying BlackShades too. Scroll down to US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_warrant It will confirm that. * - DPMM - May 16, 2014 goin 2 jail greetz to darkwin and wifi * - Razοr - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 07:28 AM)DarkTrace Wrote: They are trying to instill fear, this is a fear tactic.I hope you don't actually believe that his will stop. They will still try spread more fear and there are going to be more happenings soon. (May 16, 2014 07:32 AM)DPMM Wrote: goin 2 jail greetz to darkwin and wifiThanks for adding some LQ-posting to this thread too. * - DPMM - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 07:33 AM)Razοr Wrote: I hope you don't actually believe that his will stop. They will still try spread more fear and there are going to be more happenings soon. im glad you got raided you deserved it :hookah: * - tired- - May 16, 2014 quietly uses his free RAT with no worry of the FBI smashing his door down * - Razοr - May 16, 2014 (May 16, 2014 07:36 AM)DPMM Wrote: im glad you got raided you deserved it :hookah:Yepp and you deserve another -3. 🤝 * - michael91901 - May 16, 2014 You shouldn't be using/doing illegal things if you aren't smart enough to cover your tracks. It doesn't matter if the owner of black shades gave over the info to the fbi. If you wanna do these kind of things you need to learn to protect yourself first. |