[Rezy]

I'm Indian. There's no UGL here atleast for most gear, except I guess, and this is a complete guess, Tren. Gym culture here is pretty straightforward, you'll be peddled with drugs almost the moment you set foot in a Gym. If you're friends with the big guy, don't be surprised if the 4 - 5th convo goes into offering  a 'mass gainer', barely anyone except competitiors use the term 'steroids'. Most mass gainers are just cheap protein powders laced with dbol here.

I don't really remember the name of the med my trainer mentioned but he said it costs like Rs. 250, around $4.

The problem is a Winstrol cycle + PCT is $100, but so is Test E + PCT. If your gym guy gets you the stuff they take a cut so you end up paying more. You can walk into a pharmacy and get the same Clay Davis for less. Also, if you live in a small locality or something and you know the pharmacy guy, you don't have to worry about injections as they will do it for you, after charging a minimal amount.

You getting robbed for a winny cycle try look for cheaper if you're from India. I'm from South Africa, never been on winny's but i normally keep up to date on all prices incase i want to start cutting or whatever so i can budget.

this is what you can get for $100 here;

2x UPA Testocyp (250mg x 10ml) - R310.00 x 2 = R620.00
2x UPA Dianabol (15mg x 50) - R180.00 x 2 = R360.00
1x UPA Letrozole (30 x 2.5mg) - R300.00

PCT:
1x HD HCG 5000iu - R310.00
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15) - R140.00
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30) -R140.00

Cycle & PCT price - R1870.00 excludes shipping

[Driz]

You getting robbed for a winny cycle try look for cheaper if you're from India. I'm from South Africa, never been on winny's but i normally keep up to date on all prices incase i want to start cutting or whatever so i can budget.

this is what you can get for $100 here;

2x UPA Testocyp (250mg x 10ml) - R310.00 x 2 = R620.00
2x UPA Dianabol (15mg x 50) - R180.00 x 2 = R360.00
1x UPA Letrozole (30 x 2.5mg) - R300.00

PCT:
1x HD HCG 5000iu - R310.00
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15) - R140.00
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30) -R140.00

Cycle & PCT price - R1870.00 excludes shipping

Yeah my gym trainer takes a cut. Also, its like Rs 7000 ish here which translates to 92$. This includes the prices of needles, syringes and the guy who will help me with the injection. I'd assume Nolvadex and Clomid are cheap here aswell, not sure about HCG though. Have you noticed any changes in your digestive system or so when on gear?

[Bob White]

I have to say your cycle and pct is pretty much spot on, props for not being a broscience failure and learning about hcg and pct.
You are 1 in 100 who actually spend the time to learn about how to properly come on and off and repair your hormone production with a good pct.
Props to you bud.

[humanbody]

You getting robbed for a winny cycle try look for cheaper if you're from India. I'm from South Africa, never been on winny's but i normally keep up to date on all prices incase i want to start cutting or whatever so i can budget.

this is what you can get for $100 here;

2x UPA Testocyp (250mg x 10ml) - R310.00 x 2 = R620.00
2x UPA Dianabol (15mg x 50) - R180.00 x 2 = R360.00
1x UPA Letrozole (30 x 2.5mg) - R300.00

PCT:
1x HD HCG 5000iu - R310.00
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15) - R140.00
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30) -R140.00

Cycle & PCT price - R1870.00 excludes shipping

God damn so cheap. My gear was from Euro-Pharmacies. I had ordered the following:

Test E 250mg/ml 10ml via x3 ($36 each vial) = $108
HCG (Eurigil) - 5000iu x3 ($19.8 each vial) =  $59.4
Aromasin 20mg/tab - 50 tabs x1 = $45
Tamoxifen 20mg/tab - 50 tabs x1 = $22.5
Clomid 50mg/tab - 50 tabs x1 = $36
Shipping = $20
100 Alcohol swabs & 100x 21G needles (for drawing), 100x 23G needles (for injecting), 100x 2.5ml syringe, 100x 1ml insulin syringe with 27G fixed needle = $50
Total = $340.9

But this is legit gear, it's not some bunk gear, it's straight from lab. You get even the authentication codes to check on their website on each vial.

Yeah my gym trainer takes a cut. Also, its like Rs 7000 ish here which translates to 92$. This includes the prices of needles, syringes and the guy who will help me with the injection. I'd assume Nolvadex and Clomid are cheap here aswell, not sure about HCG though. Have you noticed any changes in your digestive system or so when on gear?

I would never order from those guys. They do all kind of shenanigans with the gear. I never trust them.

I have to say your cycle and pct is pretty much spot on, props for not being a broscience failure and learning about hcg and pct.
You are 1 in 100 who actually spend the time to learn about how to properly come on and off and repair your hormone production with a good pct.
Props to you bud.

Well I was researching for like 3 months. After my work I would research for 1 hour every single day before going to bed and decided not to rush before I learn everything. Also talked to a guy that I met online and told me about the PCT & HCG and blood work. And to never use AI based on how I feel but based on the blood results. Because if you mess up with your estrogen then you really gonna get screwed.

[Shotta]

At the age of 24 I went to the doctor to check whats wrong with me (I was feeling a bit tired than normal and didn't felt that I had that much strength compared to the guys at my age, usually after gym I was pretty much collapsed and my body needed a sleep of at least 14 hours in order to recover, this was all due to lower testosterone) and after some tests they found out that I have lower testosterone so they prescribed me testosterone.

And to clear the confusion. Steroids does not shrink your dick, only your balls (but if you use hcg, there will be only slight difference in terms of shrinking compared to if you don't use it. Hcg helps to stimulate your testicles) .

So here's what I do.

I do 2 cycles per year. Usually I start at January.
I take test e at 400mg per week for 12 weeks. Keep in mind that this is considered a "beginner dosage" between the gym bros. After my last pin i wait for 2 weeks for my test to clear a bit and then I go into post cycle therapy for 5 weeks. Thats total 19 weeks. Thats how much I rest from steroids after my cycle and then I do it again. Like I said 2 cycles per year and I've been doing this for quite awhile and everything is normal. No side effects no nothing. Blood is perfect, thyroid functions normally as before and this is all due to me using test in normal dosages and with taking all the protection which helps with recovery.

The most important thing is to do 3 bloodworks which only some people do. You do pre-cycle, to check how is your blood and everything else, then you do mid blood work (mostly it is done to determine how high is your estrogen and whether you need to take something to bring it down a bit, else you will get gyno) and last blood work is done 2 weeks after you finish your PCT to see how you've recovered.

The most important is to have your bodyfat low, preferably is to be lean before you start with a cycle else all the fat in your stomach or anywhere else will play big part of getting a gyno. Thats why it is a MUST, to be lean before hopping on a cycle. 10-12% is perfect but no more than that.

And to answer your question. Yes it is possible to take higher dosages for short period of time, lets say instead of 12 weeks you go for 8 weeks. But I dont recommend as chances of screwing yourself are higher and abusing at abnormal dosages will definitely have an impact on your body later down the road. But if you use at normal dosages and have sorted diet, for example like me, you can build good muscle.

Also I've seen people doing lower dosages but instead of 12 weeks they go for 16 weeks. Well, I can tell you that if you plan on not to have kids then go for this. Your body will take so long to recover it's just won't worth the length of the cycle to be extended this much.

But most important is your diet and sleep. Good diet + 8 hours of sleep = amazing results. If you haven't figure out how much calories you need and what type of food your body can digest faster, you better dont even think about taking steroids. Because you can still make good muscle even if you eat like Clay Davis but once you drop that testosterone you will lose everything. Thats why its important to play smart and thing long term, think about the future...

Like I said food and rest play big part of your steroid cycle. If I get to break them down it would be: 45% food, 45% rest, 10% steroids. This is what will have most impact on you. If you are on a good quality diet and forget about all the shitty food you can make so much progress and even when you drop the steroid cycle you can maintain most of what you've build. Its just that you will have less strength but still you can maintain your muscle very easy. You can have cheat meal from time to time but I wont recommend after you stop with the cycle to completely change your diet and start eating donuts, drink coke, eating chocolate and all kinds of junk food.

This is my opinion on it. A bit longer but worth reading.

You do not know what you are saying. No sane doctor will put a young man on TRT just because he doesn't recover well from the gym.

You aren't even on TRT, you are 'cycling' which is 10x worse for your body, including all the PCT breast cancer drugs. PCT does not even work, it is a myth.

You were probably not suffering from hypogonadism in the first place, just slept badly and had a bad diet and horrible lifestyle. Please post your complete blood work in this thread before you started pinning.

Don't fool yourself that you are taking "TRT", 400mg is abuse and far from TRT.

If you really want to do TRT right, get off steroid forums and join FB groups like the one with Danny Bossa and 'the lifting dermatologist' .
Pinning weekly is retarded as well.

Real TRT is small dosages subcutaneously DAILY, no more than 120mg a week, taking the ester weight into account.

I know exactly what I am talking about because I did the exact same thing as you.

I put myself on TRT for no reason at all at age 20 and stayed on for a few years. Thankfully I used HCG throughout and recovered after deciding to come off after 5 years.

[Bob White]

You do not know what you are saying. No sane doctor will put a young man on TRT just because he doesn't recover well from the gym.

You aren't even on TRT, you are 'cycling' which is 10x worse for your body, including all the PCT breast cancer drugs. PCT does not even work, it is a myth.

You were probably not suffering from hypogonadism in the first place, just slept badly and had a bad diet and horrible lifestyle. Please post your complete blood work in this thread before you started pinning.  

Don't fool yourself that you are taking "TRT", 400mg is abuse and far from TRT.

If you really want to do TRT right, get off steroid forums and join FB groups like the one with Danny Bossa and 'the lifting dermatologist' .
Pinning weekly is retarded as well.

Real TRT is small dosages subcutaneously DAILY, no more than 120mg a week, taking the ester weight into account.

I know exactly what I am talking about because I did the exact same thing as you.

I put myself on TRT for no reason at all at age 20 and stayed on for a few years. Thankfully I used HCG throughout and recovered after deciding to come off after 5 years.

"real trt is sub q"

Not only sub q, but IM and topical, just depends on your desired method and your doctors advice.

"no sane doctor will put a young man on trt"

Also not true, I got diagnosed with low t in my late 20s (when most of you guys were like 5 years old) and have been on it since, and I've exogenously used and tested beyond trt for many, many years as well.

Just because you've blasted and cruised for a few years does not make you an expert. 🐱‍👤

[funtela]

Maybe because I have lower testosterone than every other normal human being. And with that being said instead of taking the recommended TRT dose, I take a bit higher dosage for shorter period of time. Some people take just to feel better or to build muscle, some take for shows etc ... But I do agree with you that taking steroids just to show off on the beach and to get girls is extremely stupid.

I feel like my testosterone took a hit after some pill abuse.

[Squanchy]

Im overweight and don't use steroids. Surprised people actually do that. Thought it was just a bs stereotype of body builders and something some athletes used to do in the 1900s.

[Mullet Muscle]

Nah it worked out, my PCT was during all this Covid stuff so I'll be back on pretty soon.
No reason to use it as an excuse to stop, work out at home..