[Ijvg2]

85%.... just stop claiming it when you have two analysts who are losing games. The actual win rate is closer to 60-70% if that. You can't cherry pick the tips that you want to include when your clients are losing money

It's gambling plain and simple you can't win them all, just don't claim 85% when it's clearly not. Even if you claim "it's really 85% if you follow the recommended bets, oh and we just started saying which bets are actually recommended, also only one of our analysts are recommended so we don't count those either."

Also I decided to just donate the money to st Jude's anyways without worrying about our agreement, felt bad for even mentioning it or having an option to not donate it.

Here is a screenshot from your testimonials. Just a fraction of complaints I hear about the group. People will complain less if you just have more realistic marketing.

[Bluffer]

I'm seeing some negative feedback here on Golden Complex 's thread.  As not only a user of this group for close to 2 months now but as a paid member and a longtime HF member, allow me to chime in.

I've sold products on HF before and there are crappy customers that come and go from time to time, and without sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, it's clear as day that some people who've bought this are just crappy customers. Those customers that you can never satisfy, they never see the bigger picture and they quickly go to posting negative feedback on your sales thread.

For example the other night there was one person who had been in the server for less than a few days and just happened to have seen two losses in a row, I can tell you since I've been in the group since late January, this is rare that 2 losses happen in a row and coincidentally, it happened to be that there were a few people new to the group around this time, so they collectively could think of this group as not worth it. They've yet to see it through though and their opinions will surely change.


Joker especially, is very accurate in his picks, he clearly has been doing this a long time as he has said and when he's off with his predictions it's always always always very very close and often it's a fluke call or non call that affects the win or loss.

In a game from a few days ago, there was one more corner than he had predicted and some sites were even saying that there wasn't that extra corner, that was the difference maker between that parlay winning or not.

TLDR here is there are shitty customers all over Hackforums, take feedback from someone who's been in this group for a minute over someone who just joined, period.

[Ijvg2]

I'm seeing some negative feedback here on Golden Complex 's thread.  As not only a user of this group for close to 2 months now but as a paid member and a longtime HF member, allow me to chime in.

I've sold products on HF before and there are crappy customers that come and go from time to time, and without sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, it's clear as day that some people who've bought this are just crappy customers. Those customers that you can never satisfy, they never see the bigger picture and they quickly go to posting negative feedback on your sales thread.

For example the other night there was one person who had been in the server for less than a few days and just happened to have seen two losses in a row, I can tell you since I've been in the group since late January, this is rare that 2 losses happen in a row and coincidentally, it happened to be that there were a few people new to the group around this time, so they collectively could think of this group as not worth it. They've yet to see it through though and their opinions will surely change.


Joker especially, is very accurate in his picks, he clearly has been doing this a long time as he has said and when he's off with his predictions it's always always always very very close and often it's a fluke call or non call that affects the win or loss.

In a game from a few days ago, there was one more corner than he had predicted and some sites were even saying that there wasn't that extra corner, that was the difference maker between that parlay winning or not.

TLDR here is there are shitty customers all over Hackforums, take feedback from someone who's been in this group for a minute over someone who just joined, period.

Question. Are you saying that you agree with the claim of over 85% win rate?

[Golden Complex]

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If I recall, you offered to bet me $1,000 on our win rate and I tried to take you up on your offer. Why did you disappear? Let's do it!

Additionally, are you a multi accounter, a group of friends working together to salestrash, or is this just a strange coincidence:





Regarding your post,

Absolutely.  You're basing your results off of one week when we have six months of success documented.

The other user is counting non-recommended tips in his calculations.  We are explicitly clear that only the recommended tips are official signals, and others should be taken at your own risk.  The sole purpose of the non-recommended tips is for those who want to bet extra money and are willing to accept a lower win rate. On each tipping day, we post the recommended tips as well as several non-official signals for the group mentioned above.

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Question. Are you saying that you agree with the claim of over 85% win rate?

Our long term win rate on recommended signals since the beginning of the trial period to now is over 80%.  Perhaps not 85, but the statistical reassessment tomorrow will reveal the updated win rate when it's conducted and those values will be edited onto the thread. I can't edit the graphics every time the win rate differs by a couple percentage points.

Every two months, we do a statistical reassessment and edit the values on the thread accordingly.  At the time of launching this thread, the documented tips had an 85% win rate, and thus the thread reflects that.

Win rate is meant to be measured over the long-term because it reflects long-term performance rather than periodic performance.  We've had several weeks with a 100% win rate and several weeks with a 60% win rate, 90% win rate, 65% win rate, and so forth, but what's important is the long-term performance of a group, correct?

To my understanding, you're basing your post off of being in the group for one week (EDIT: Nevermind, I realized that you're the user from last week who isn't a buyer).  The user above is basing his post off of being in the group for two months.  The user above and I had no relationship prior to him requesting his vouch copy for this service and then purchasing his membership once his 14-day vouch period expired.

Before replying, kindly review the entire post and address it in your reply.  Commonly, people clearly are not reading the entire post and end up replying with questions which are answered in the post they are quoting...

[Ijvg2]

If I recall, you offered to bet me $1,000 on our win rate and I tried to take you up on your offer.  Why did you disappear?  Let's do it!

Additionally, are you a multi accounter, a group of friends working together to salestrash, or is this just a strange coincidence:





Regarding your post,

Absolutely.  You're basing your results off of one week when we have six months of success documented.

The other user is counting non-recommended tips in his calculations.  We are explicitly clear that only the recommended tips are official signals, and others should be taken at your own risk.  The sole purpose of the non-recommended tips is for those who want to bet extra money and are willing to accept a lower win rate.  On each tipping day, we post the recommended tips as well as several non-official signals for the group mentioned above.

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Our long term win rate on recommended signals since the beginning of the trial period to now is over 80%.  Perhaps not 85, but the statistical reassessment tomorrow will reveal the updated win rate when it's conducted and those values will be edited onto the thread.  I can't edit the graphics every time the win rate differs by a couple percentage points.

Every two months, we do a statistical reassessment and edit the values on the thread accordingly.  At the time of launching this thread, the documented tips had an 85% win rate, and thus the thread reflects that.

Win rate is meant to be measured over the long-term because it reflects long-term performance rather than periodic performance.  We've had several weeks with a 100% win rate and several weeks with a 60% win rate, 90% win rate, 65% win rate, and so forth, but what's important is the long-term performance of a group, correct?

To my understanding, you're basing your post off of being in the group for one week (EDIT:  Nevermind, I realized that you're the user from last week who isn't a buyer).  The user above is basing his post off of being in the group for two months.  The user above and I had no relationship prior to him requesting his vouch copy for this service and then purchasing his membership once his 14-day vouch period expired.

Before replying, kindly review the entire post and address it in your reply.  Commonly, people clearly are not reading the entire post and end up replying with questions which are answered in the post they are quoting...

[Bold]the trial period to now is over 80%. Perhaps not 85[/bold]

So now it's not 85%?

That's all I really care about.

Here's what sucks about "a lower win rate the past month".

You say you recalculate every 2 months, however you just started saying which tips recommended in the last month.

Before that it was multiple amounts of tips per tip day and apparently you were cherry picking the ones that were "recommended" only. But, as a user during this period there was no distinction. How do you determine internally what you were going to put on the spreadsheet, because it wasn't every "tip" joker was giving.

You can make all the excuses and "sales trashing" bs all you want, but your user base is down to maybe 35ish from what it was due to the losses and lies and user suppression. You made it clear to everyone in discord not to post on thread about losses.

My main issue is that you are claiming 85% this made me furious, beyond belief. It's blatant lies and deception, it's not possible and now with this reassessment and the fact you are forced to at least show which ones are recommended upon receiving the tips and not just saying, oh the one that won was recommended.

The service isn't bad even if it's only 59-71% still makes for a great service. But the user suppression and obvious deceptive practices piss me off.


As far as the donation goes I already donated it, wasn't fair to have a possible out, and with last week's wins I'm up a fair bit.

[Arkansas]

Started a contract, will update wins this month starting around a 500$ bankroll. Best of luck!

[Golden Complex]

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If we look long term since the trial period began, it is 85%. If we look over the last two months, it is around 80%. The statistics posted on the thread are based on two-month intervals as explained prior. When the thread was posted, the win rate of the previous two months was 84.9%. I am doing the reassessment soon, as explained in my previous posts.

"Before that it was multiple amounts of tips per tip day and apparently you were cherry picking the ones that were "recommended" only"

1) You weren't in the group for that. You joined on 2/16, after the miscommunication issue was resolved. I can post the payment receipts if you'd like, with any personal information blocked of course..

2) False. The recommended signals were differentiated from the extra ones. The issue was that we didn't elaborate on the system properly. For this, we gave extended memberships to all users who were around for it and closed sales until we wrote out a document explaining the system in its entirety.

3) It's impossible to "cherrypick" the recommended signals because the signals were made and labeled "recommended" BEFORE the actual games.

I don't think you're being malicious. As I wrote previously, I think you're simply misguided. There is no suppression or deceptive practices.

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Any NBA bets in this service or only soccer?

[Golden Complex]

Any NBA bets in this service or only soccer?

No NBA, just soccer and eSports (Two different analysts).

Our soccer analyst could produce NBA picks, but our policy is for each analyst to stick with the sport they are best with in order to operate by our "Quality over Quantity" model.

[Bluffer]

Here's yesterday's earnings. I did a parlay of one pick from the e-sports picker, and two picks from the soccer picker.

Usually isn't a good idea to combine them and usually the times are different anyways but I was feeling frisky.

[Golden Complex]

Here's yesterday's earnings. I did a parlay of one pick from the e-sports picker, and two picks from the soccer picker.

Usually isn't a good idea to combine them and usually the times are different anyways but I was feeling frisky.

Clean $43 profit! Glad that things are continuing to work out for you and the other members. 😁

[Bluffer]

Clean $43 profit!  Glad that things are continuing to work out for you and the other members.  😁

Remade my losses and then some. Feeling good about this.

[Bluffer]

Some more win porn adding to the great wins I've had this week.

[TOM]

Vouch Copies Available for Reputable and Trusted Members!

LMK IF its still available ill do a review with 1000$-  2000$ in bank roll

[throwaway55]

How often are recommended picks posted?

I'm asking about recommended only, not the picks with the lower winrate.

Thanks.