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How do you think the marketplace should be improved? || Bring Back "Reviewers" - SIM-2501407 - Dec 28, 2016
I created this thread after thinking about this: https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5506590&pid=53601664#pid53601664
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Part 1 of 2 - How do you think the marketplace should be improved?
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Recently, since returning to Hackforums, I have noticed that many people have been complaining that the eBooks they purchase do not work. Listen, the problem about selling SHIT to customers is that it hurts the entire marketplace. After someone spends money an eBook and see that it does not work, they will never buy another one and may not bother buying any products whatsoever. Think about if close to everyone, the majority, made money off of the eBooks being sold. The customers would purchase more and the marketplace on this forum would have a better reputation. This new, better reputation would help spread how many people consider buying (this could also boost membership on the forums too).
Perhaps there should be an enforcement of some sorts. I honestly like the idea of a marketplace violation for selling an eBook or product that clearly does not work, for it is scamming without boldly stating it.
Despite this idea, I am not sure how it would be proven that an eBook clearly does not work, and there is also the issue of enforcement. I personally do not think staff have time to read these reports and enforce any rule when it comes to this. There are some cases where the eBooks do work, but eventually becomes saturated or stops working for another reason, so it is hard to say if someone knows that they are 'scamming'. Quite frankly, and it sad to state, but I do not see the marketplace improving significantly. Those who pay money for an eBook are 'gambling' in a sense.
Do you have any solutions/suggestions? What do you think about the marketplace and what can be done?
Put some actual thought into this. Please do not state something half-assed or idiotic (I.E "Market is shit //Discussion"). I am certain there are threads like this from the past, but this is something I believe in strongly; the marketplace does need a fix, and brainstorming will help come up with a solution.
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Part 2 of 2 - Bringing Back "Reviewers"
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(Dec 28, 2016 11:50 AM)Prince™ Wrote: Only if Reviewers come back as an official group again and start reviewing every single e-Book for it's content, originality, potential and reveal about it to the customers.This will be created by me within 5 years if something does not get done. You heard it here first.
Which I really doubt will happen. It was a much better place when they were around. None could possibly ever think of bullshitting people with their non working methods.
(Need to get Omni's approval to own a usergroup first)
In case you do not know what Reviewers was, please take the time to read this page:
http://hackforumswiki.net/index.php/Reviewers
Quote:The group was closed after changes were made in the Marketplace which made the group's purpose to be redundant.Quote from: http://hackforumswiki.net/index.php/Groups
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=255717&;
This is what I would want, but the group would NOT be officially a part of the HF team. We would be a small group of HQ users that give honest reviews, that's all. The group would not be in it for profit; maybe I should make a rule within the group that it is not permitted to have certain sale threads. Of course, this would include my own sale threads.
Other posts of mine in this thread in regards of Reviewers (Read them if you want to know everything):
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5507022&pid=53611118#pid53611118
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5507022&pid=53611662#pid53611662
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5507022&pid=53611842#pid53611842
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5507022&pid=53613653#pid53613653
Interesting idea... I will begin collecting money and think about this more in-depth while doing so.
http://prntscr.com/dp2ci0
(Dec 30, 2016 12:07 AM)ValorHF Wrote: I briefly spoke to Confound, a member of the Red Lions, tonight.
The Red Lions attempted to do a very, very similar thing as the Reviewers, but it was not successful as members did not find them trustworthy enough to receive free products. After hearing that the Red Lions were not trusted enough, I highly doubt that this idea would be successful if put into action. I still desire to own a usergroup one of these days, but my idea of revising and remaking the Reviewers has now been reconsidered as I do not see a bright future for it. That being said, this thread has served it's purpose.
I appreciate each and every reply that I have received on this thread. It has been great to see other members ideas on how to fix the marketplace. Perhaps one day some of those ideas will be implemented into Hackforums. Once again, thank you everyone.
This thread is closed now.
ValorHF
(Dec 31, 2016 01:35 PM)Omniscient Wrote: Ebook quality, or lack thereof, is nothing new.
Start your own forum where you can vouch for products. On HF we are not going to get involved.
Unreal. So you think it's an idea you like but you have no idea how it will work. That makes you a moron.
RKO'd.
I read more of your crap I'll end up closing your account.
End of discussion.
* - minimalist - Dec 28, 2016
I think that there should be better marketplace moderators. Haven't ever heard of the shopping deals moderator (though I'd imagine that he's a nice guy), but apparently he moderates that section. There are a few other cases and the entire forum would benefit from a few promotions and removal of certain mentors.
* - SIM-2501407 - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:08 AM)Minimalist Wrote: I think that there should be better marketplace moderators and staff.I thought about that too, and thought it was an idea that may be worth doing for HF. Omni could promote section moderators to focus on the marketplace, so it would not be time taken away from him, for the most part.
However, I am still wondering how the moderator would be able to determine if a product, eBook, etc. is total bogus. The only way for them to know would be for them to try it themselves (so I think), but that may not be possible. For some of the methods it would take a decent amount of time, and there would probably be more threads on the topic than what they are.
* - Tides - Dec 28, 2016
I think ebooks should have a review system, if you receive a vouch copy or you purchase the ebook you are allowed to rate the ebook on a scale of 1-5 stars. The average rating appears on the thread, and reviewers can even leave a small comment which is stickied at the top of the thread.
* - Vittorio - Dec 28, 2016
Getting rid of any sales of eBooks.
* - 2000 - Dec 28, 2016
I think HF should hire special staff members that will check each product. Before they post the thread the staffs need to approve it.
* - Tides - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:19 AM)2000 Wrote: I think HF should hire special staff members that will check each product. Before they post the thread the staffs need to approve it.
Yeah but it's already been stated that staff does not get involved in dals. Omni has already made it clear that the golden rule of the marketplace is to not do business on HF. At that point, anything done is at your own discretion and you just have to be smart enough not to get scammed.
* - SIM-2501407 - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:18 AM)Jauz Wrote: I think ebooks should have a review system, if you receive a vouch copy or you purchase the ebook you are allowed to rate the ebook on a scale of 1-5 stars. The average rating appears on the thread, and reviewers can even leave a small comment which is stickied at the top of the thread.This idea is great, but would be impossible. Even if a system was implemented by Omni that detects if a user has bought a product of a thread, there are issues, one being of abuse. You can get a friend to buy a copy and leave a fake review, then you refund their money (plus, throw a bit more money for them leaving a review).
(Dec 28, 2016 11:19 AM)Vittorio Wrote: Getting rid of any sales of eBooks.It's also other products and services that do not work too. I mean it would help the marketplace astronomically to remove eBooks...
(Dec 28, 2016 11:21 AM)Jauz Wrote: Yeah but it's already been stated that staff does not get involved in dals. Omni has already made it clear that the golden rule of the marketplace is to not do business on HF. At that point, anything done is at your own discretion and you just have to be smart enough not to get scammed.Hackforums should have 0 liability for what occurs during a deal. However, there is a better solution than allowing those to get scammed than turning a blind eye.
* - Tides - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:38 AM)ValorHF Wrote: This idea is great, but would be impossible. Even if a system was implemented by Omni that detects if a user has bought a product of a thread, there are issues, one being of abuse. You can get a friend to buy a copy and leave a fake review, then you refund their money (plus, throw a bit more money for them leaving a review).
The same exact thing can be said for regular vouches.
* - SIM-2501407 - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:39 AM)Jauz Wrote: The same exact thing can be said for regular vouches.Regular vouches are corrupt, we all know that. If anyone tries to deny that they are either a liar or a newbie to HF.
That's a problem on it's own. How do we know which ones are legit and which aren't?
* - Riyu - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:19 AM)2000 Wrote: I think HF should hire special staff members that will check each product. Before they post the thread the staffs need to approve it.
And who do you think would want to review thousands of products? I sure wouldn't want to.
* - woms - Dec 28, 2016
get the shitty ebooks the fuck outta there
* - Tides - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:44 AM)Riyu Wrote: And who do you think would want to review thousands of products? I sure wouldn't want to.
How about the Red Lions? 😏
* - minimalist - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:44 AM)Riyu Wrote: And who do you think would want to review thousands of products? I sure wouldn't want to.
I heard Minimalist was cut for the task
* - SIM-2501407 - Dec 28, 2016
(Dec 28, 2016 11:45 AM)Jauz Wrote: How about the Red Lions? 😏Make them and Apex do it, haha.
(Dec 28, 2016 11:44 AM)Riyu Wrote: And who do you think would want to review thousands of products? I sure wouldn't want to.I would volunteer to do it. When regulation begins to happen, I think less people will try pass on trash to sell.
Plus a usergroup could actually do this...
(Dec 28, 2016 11:46 AM)Minimalist Wrote: I heard Minimalist was cut for the taskVouch, HQ product here! GLWS.