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Is RATing hacking/Does RATing make you a hacker?

Simple question, does RATing make you a hacker/is it hacking?


Quote:A hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network.


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There seems to be a lot of arguing going on in this section regarding RATing's stance in "hacking"


Let me break it down for people who don't know what a RAT is, even though most of you do.

RATing is when you send someone an infected link laced with a Silent Java Drive By/Reg Java Drive by or an infected download that grants the attacker master backdoor access to someones computer.

With the RAT on the machine we can analyze files, execute commands, view through victims webcam, view their desktop etc etc.

So what's the process of RATing?

Point and click basically.

Download a program, set up no-ip, build server, spread server, gain slaves.

Does this REALLY seem like hacking? You probably thought hacking looked like fucking around in a *nix terminal throwing commands like top and netstat. But nope, people do consider RATing hacking.

There are also bind/reverse payloads which serve the same purpose, but it's not really point and clicking, there is executing commands as well. But that's not the point.

My thoughts:

I don't really consider RATing hacking, mainly for the sole reason it's more of a point & click process. BUT, also, in the technical terms it is "hacking" because you're illegally gaining access to someones system/network according to Wikipedia and other sources, if you understand the entire process, like why you use port forwarding and you understand how the commands were made(not just, oh, they programmed it, like cold hard detail is what I mean) etc then sure by all means go ahead.

But if you're someone who downloads Dark Comet to take peoples runescape accounts and claim you're a hacker then i don't even know.


So the whole point is, do you think RATing makes you a hacker/hacking?

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Quote:
  • Do you believe RATing makes you a hacker, and is it considered hacking?

  • Why is it or why is it not?

  • Add additional info. here




(Oct 11, 2013 04:13 PM)Yoshikage Kira Wrote:  Do you believe RATing makes you a hacker, and is it considered hacking?
if you coded the rat(without c+p'ing), then yeah.

Yeah, but what about the kids who download it with no knowledge?
I like the responses guys, keep them coming.
In my opinion, if you didn't write the RAT yourself then your just a skid i suppose. But black hats gain money (generally) from they're exploits. So i suppose they are, im kind of on the fence about it.
Well it means what you mean by "Hacker" Theres skids out there that think they are "hackers" because they DDoS -.- and rats and kl's arent really that hard especially if you download it.
na not really lol all your doing is making a program and uploading it not really hacking
(Oct 11, 2013 05:06 PM)Ingress Wrote:  Wish my wife would give me that access!

I had a great fucking laugh at that comment. 🤣
(Oct 11, 2013 05:06 PM)Ingress Wrote:  Wish my wife would give me that access!

That was glorious. This man needs an award.
(Oct 11, 2013 04:34 PM)Yoshikage Kira Wrote:  but with a rat you can exploit their computer for your personal gain, e.g. install adware for money, use em for ddosing your friend, use them as a proxy, satisfy your sadistic personality by turning their volume to 100% + opening a screamer 🎉
Ha! You forgot to add crazy mouse to the equation. 🤣 Ultimate sadistic mode!

To the OP, I don't think RATting makes someone a hacker. I believe people that RAT using DC, BS (any other popular RATting software) are just using a known hack to their advantage. Not necessarily hacking themselves.

In a different perspective.
1. ScidA downloads the torrent "Winrar 2.24.32.2 CRACKED" from somebody who has cracked Winrar and the cracker has also made a nice little application that automatically cracks the Winrar.
2. ScidA uses the cracking app to crack the app. Is ScidA the cracker?

No, he is just using a known hack/crack to his advantage. Just like scids that use automated services like DC, BS. (Yes, I am one of those scids.) If someone personally wrote the code and it's all his/her own work THEN and only THEN someone is a hacker. Just my two cents. 🎉
Oh boy this thread looks familiar.
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=2917674
(Oct 12, 2013 04:45 AM)Th3PonyWizard Wrote:  Oh boy this thread looks familiar.
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=2917674

Where else did you think I got the idea? 🤭
(Oct 12, 2013 07:22 AM)Y45KUR Wrote:  If you did everything by hand like:
Code a crypter with a crypter and made use of an exploit that allowed easy spreading then: yes.
If you were just a skid and c+p'd everything, then: no.

Even if you just made a crypter for it, i wouldnt consider you too much of a skid.