[Brule]

I've had many problems with PayPal, but what have happened to you is just dumb of PayPal. They should be ashamed. Really hope you get to sort things out and get you and your family's money back!

They will lose customers over time.

[ʆord Ƒrieza]

This is true I remember hearing about this. You guy's be careful. Niggas is hating out here.

[Sky]

I think this is pretty funny, but that's because I'm not a fan of Booters.

Also you can't complain, you're breaking Paypals ToS by selling a stresser using their payment system. You agreed to their ToS on signup, don't whine now you've broken them & they are taking action against you.

I'm pretty sure Paypals legal terms & their hundreds of lawyers would stand up better than your defence in court saying "I told the skids who signed up to my site to only DDoS their own servers."

~Arcane 🤝

[0x -]

I think this is pretty funny, but that's because I'm not a fan of Booters.

Also you can't complain, you're breaking Paypals ToS by selling a stresser using their payment system. You agreed to their ToS on signup, don't whine now you've broken them & they are taking action against you.

I'm pretty sure Paypals legal terms & their hundreds of lawyers would stand up better than your defence in court saying "I told the skids who signed up to my site to only DDoS their own servers."

~Arcane 🤝

I decided to go through the PayPal ToS and AUP and there's nothing that specifies "Booter or Stresser"

https://www.paypal.com/ca/webapps/mpp/ua...leuse-full
https://www.paypal.com/ca/webapps/mpp/ua...ement-full

It does say this,

"You may not use the PayPal service for activities that: relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, © items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f) items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (h) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (i) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j), certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law."

Let me clear this up, a Booter or Stresser is not an illegal service. Many companies uses these type of services to test their own network security. It's out of our responsibility what the client does with the service but if we can prove they're miss-using the service, we have all legal rights to suspend their service.

Now, amplification is indeed illegal as it states due to accessing DNS's that you're not authorization to even access in the first place. But some Stressers/Booters uses their own DNS or even uses a cloud infrastructures to simulate an attack and that's what we're leaning to at Network Stressing.

Look at http://www.nimbusddos.com/ https://www.blitz.io/ or http://loadimpact.com/ for example, they offer Network Stressing with Denial of Service or Distributed Denial of Service attacks, the only difference is that they own their servers.

So right there, we did not break any of the policies at PayPal, US or PayPal, CA.

[Aceman]

Congrats, stresser owners were already doing this to eachother. When I was part of a stresser team we went through 3 in the same week having went through 7. Sad but it is against PayPal's ToS.

[0x -]

Congrats, stresser owners were already doing this to eachother. When I was part of a stresser team we went through 3 in the same week having went through 7. Sad but it is against PayPal's ToS.

Read the post right above you, please.

[Vicellus Drum]

huehue if u say legal actions now they will just laugh at you

You sir, owe me a new can of coke.

0x68, the last thing you want to do is mention legal action to a multi-billion dollar company notorious for their legal department. 😏
You're literally jumping right into your own trap.

[Aceman]

Read the post right above you, please.

Use your head please. Go fight for the PayPal account which you're using to receive funds which violate PayPal's ToS. You won't win in court and you'd be wasting your time. Take the loss and move on.

Email I received when a PayPal was limited;
Spoiler (Click to View)

We have recently reviewed your PayPal account activity, and determined
that you are in violation of PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy regarding your
offers of stresser services on http://critical-stresser.com.

Please refer to:
- Transaction 3N3766446L401044K

As a result, your account has been permanently limited and this cannot be
appealed.

Per the PayPal User Agreement, which you read and accepted when you created
your account, we reserve the right to permanently limit an account due to
an Acceptable Use Policy violation. We may hold any available balance in
your PayPal account for up to 180 days. In addition, you may be liable for
any amount of damages PayPal incurs for each violation of the Acceptable
Use Policy.

To read more about your liability, the actions we may take and other
relevant information pertaining to the PayPal User Agreement, please refer
to the following URL:
https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_...le.x=en_US

Please remove all references to PayPal from your website/s and/or
auction/s. This includes not only removing PayPal as a payment option, but
also the PayPal logo and PayPal shopping cart.

The PayPal User Agreement states that PayPal reserves the right to limit
an account for any violation of the PayPal User Agreement, including the
Acceptable Use Policy.

Under the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used to send or
receive payments for items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct
others to engage in illegal activity.

You can view the complete PayPal Acceptable Use Policy by clicking the
"Legal" link at the bottom of any PayPal page and clicking "PayPal
Acceptable Use Policy". You can also find some more information on the
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy on our Help Center.

We thank you in advance for your cooperation. If you have any questions,
please contact the PayPal Brand Risk Management Department at
[email protected].

The part which specifically applies to you is the following;

Under the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used to send or
receive payments for items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct
others to engage in illegal activity.

So go ahead and continue to act big, it won't accomplish shit.

[0x -]

Use your head please. Go fight for the PayPal account which you're using to receive funds which violate PayPal's ToS. You won't win in court and you'd be wasting your time. Take the loss and move on.

Email I received when a PayPal was limited;
Spoiler (Click to View)


The part which specifically applies to you is the following;

So go ahead and continue to act big, it won't accomplish shit.

Again, read the post.

I decided to go through the PayPal ToS and AUP and there's nothing that specifies "Booter or Stresser"

https://www.paypal.com/ca/webapps/mpp/ua...leuse-full
https://www.paypal.com/ca/webapps/mpp/ua...ement-full

It does say this,

"You may not use the PayPal service for activities that: relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, © items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f) items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (h) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (i) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j), certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law."

Let me clear this up, a Booter or Stresser is not an illegal service. Many companies uses these type of services to test their own network security. It's out of our responsibility what the client does with the service but if we can prove they're miss-using the service, we have all legal rights to suspend their service.

Now, amplification is indeed illegal as it states due to accessing DNS's that you're not authorization to even access in the first place. But some Stressers/Booters uses their own DNS or even uses a cloud infrastructures to simulate an attack and that's what we're leaning to at Network Stressing.

Look at http://www.nimbusddos.com/ https://www.blitz.io/ or http://loadimpact.com/ for example, they offer Network Stressing with Denial of Service or Distributed Denial of Service attacks, the only difference is that they own their servers.

So right there, we did not break any of the policies at PayPal, US or PayPal, CA.

PS: To the last statement you said, if that was the case, every hosting company would be out of business right now. Almost anything in this world could cause illegal activities, but are we supporting it or encouraging it? No, we're not. Like every ticket we receive, if it's about attacking something you're not authorize to, we suspend the account immediately. Our goal is not to be like other stressers where they let their customers attack other members or servers. We actually want to encourage the use of testing your own server to make it secure and have a friendly environment instead of worrying of your server/service going down.

Did these past stressers really fuck up the SST community for you guys that bad that you think every one of them is for bad usage?

[Aceman]

Again, read the post.

PS: To the last statement you said, if that was the case, every hosting company would be out of business right now. Almost anything in this world could cause illegal activities, but are we supporting it or encouraging it? No, we're not. Like every ticket we receive, if it's about attacking something you're not authorize to, we suspend the account immediately. Our goal is not to be like other stressers where they let their customers attack other members or servers. We actually want to encourage the use of testing your own server to make it secure and have a friendly environment instead of worrying of your server/service going down.

Did these past stressers really fuck up the SST community for you guys that bad that you think every one of them is for bad usage?

Are you really that ignorant? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that a stresser being advertised on Hackforums is obviously going to facilitate illegal activities. I'd be surprised if even one person used it on themselves or on targets which gave authorization to be DDoSed for their entire subscription length. It just doesn't happen which you and I both know to be true. By all means though, if you wanna play big dog in court with PayPal then I'd love to hear the outcome. 😏

[The l33t hax0r]

Good. Maybe know the skids with booters will die off.

Or you know, you could stop being a dumb shit and only use cryptos!

inb4negged

[0x -]

Good. Maybe know the skids with booters will die off.

Or you know, you could stop being a dumb shit and only use cryptos!

inb4negged

We're going to encourage a lot more payments from PayPal Competitors. The only reason a lot of people uses PayPal is because they were one of the first online payment processor and that everyone has trust in.

But slowly and slowly, people are realizing that PayPal isn't like years ago.

[Krew]

Uhm, we all know what you are selling and what it is for. You going to pull that lie in court as well?

[The Professional Hacker]

2 things you can do here.

1 You change your Paypal IPN system that hides payments coming from your site. This works by redirecting your website to a buy page off site that auto updates your MYSQL DB after the payment.

For example that does this method

http://titaniumstresser.net and http://quantumbooter.net

It would be nice if someone on HF can offer to do this for booter owners for a small fee you know. 👍👍

2 You do know everyone with a booter has the God power to permanent limited any paypal account in the world!

Paypal wont do anything about it or give there account back.

Been scammed ?

Did you pay the user with paypal ?

Go add his/she paypal email in your lovely booter and sit back put your feet up watch the show.

[Aceman]

2 things you can do here.

1 You change your Paypal IPN system that hides payments coming from your site. This works by redirecting your website to a buy page off site that auto updates your MYSQL DB after the payment.

For example that does this method

http://titaniumstresser.net and http://quantumbooter.net

It would be nice if someone on HF can offer to do this for booter owners for a small fee you know. 👍👍

2 You do know everyone with a booter has the God power to permanent limited any paypal account in the world!

Paypal wont do anything about it or give there account back.

Been scammed ?

Did you pay the user with paypal ?

Go add his/she paypal email in your lovely booter and sit back put your feet up watch the show.

Doesn't stop the chargebacks by thirteen year olds saying "I bought a stresser from this guy and it wasn't as advertised".