[g4143]

If this is engineer's work then they are the only ones doing heavy lifting and everyone else is just using their results with their nice abstractions like fopen and std::cout

Never mind the massive abstractions in things like Python, request.get("google.com"), I want to cry for the frustration past engineers must have felt implementing everything underneath that hood at the bottom layer

But you are acting like this is ground breaking stuff. Its old, very old and that's why its the job of engineers.

[6577657534735]

But you are acting like this is ground breaking stuff. Its old, very old and that's why its the job of engineers.

I never said it's new, just that it's not mundane.

[g4143]

I never said it's new, just that it's not mundane.

Mundane:

2. Relating to, characteristic of, or concerned with commonplaces; ordinary.

1. everyday, ordinary, or banal

Its mundane.

[0xDEAD10CC]

But you are acting like this is ground breaking stuff. Its old, very old and that's why its the job of engineers.

That makes no sense, the age of the task determines whether it's an engineers work or not, or am I reading this incorrectly? ❓

Who cares whether it's ground breaking work or not? Please explain how this is even relevant to the initial topic? Can you write, or do you understand a bootloader? Let me know what language you choose...

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Mundane:

2. Relating to, characteristic of, or concerned with commonplaces; ordinary.

1. everyday, ordinary, or banal

Its mundane.

Writing a bootloader is 'normal'? In what way, and why do you define it as 'ordinary'? lol

[6577657534735]

I bet like 0.0000001% of developers have ever written or modified a bootloader

[TYHT]

If this is engineer's work then they are the only ones doing heavy lifting and everyone else is just using their results with their nice abstractions like fopen and std::cout

Never mind the massive abstractions in things like Python, request.get("google.com"), I want to cry for the frustration past engineers must have felt implementing everything underneath that hood at the bottom layer

You know this could be implemented in c with just a couple of lines.

Code

SOCKET Socket = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP);

SOCKADDR_IN Address = {};
Address.sin_family = AF_INET;
Address.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr("GOOGLE IP");
Address.sin_port = htons(80);

connect(Socket, (SOCKADDR *)&Address, sizeof(Address)) == SOCKET_ERROR)

char Request[] = "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\n"
"Host: google.com\r\n"
"User-Agent: your mom\r\n"
"Accept: text/html\r\n"
"Connection: keep-alive\r\n"
"\r\n";
char Response[1000] = {};

send(Socket, Request, strlen(Request), 0)
recv(Socket, Response, strlen(Response), 0);

[0xDEAD10CC]

You know this could be implemented in c with just a couple of lines.

Code

SOCKET Socket = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP);

SOCKADDR_IN Address = {};
Address.sin_family = AF_INET;
Address.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr("GOOGLE IP");
Address.sin_port = htons(80);

connect(Socket, (SOCKADDR *)&Address, sizeof(Address)) == SOCKET_ERROR)

char Request[] = "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\n"
"Host: google.com\r\n"
"User-Agent: your mom\r\n"
"Accept: text/html\r\n"
"Connection: keep-alive\r\n"
"\r\n";
char Response[1000] = {};

send(Socket, Request, strlen(Request), 0)
recv(Socket, Response, strlen(Response), 0);

Only a couple multiplied by 10, and that's for a very minimal Winsock example too. This leaves out all error checking, doesn't check to see that all of the data is read either, among other things.

[g4143]

That makes no sense, the age of the task determines whether it's an engineers work or not, or am I reading this incorrectly? ❓

No. If its already been figured out(the heavy lifting is done) then its an engineers task to use it.

[0xDEAD10CC]

No. If its already been figured out(the heavy lifting is done) then its an engineers task to use it.

Huh? Engineers are essentially inventors and designers; creativity and innovation. Can you be more explicit with your response? "it"?

[g4143]

I bet like 0.0000001% of developers have ever written or modified a bootloader

I wonder how many programmers have written a significant programming language? One which pushes the current language boundaries.

[Paul Wilson]

C/C++ is for programs that are ran on your computer, AKA software, not at all the same for web languages.

[g4143]

Huh? Engineers are essentially inventors and designers; creativity and innovation. Can you be more explicit with your response? "it"?

Let me put it in words that you can understand.

Engineers are the ones with dirt under their fingernails and scientist are the ones with beautiful minds.

[6577657534735]

You know this could be implemented in c with just a couple of lines.

Code

SOCKET Socket = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP);

SOCKADDR_IN Address = {};
Address.sin_family = AF_INET;
Address.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr("GOOGLE IP");
Address.sin_port = htons(80);

connect(Socket, (SOCKADDR *)&Address, sizeof(Address)) == SOCKET_ERROR)

char Request[] = "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\n"
"Host: google.com\r\n"
"User-Agent: your mom\r\n"
"Accept: text/html\r\n"
"Connection: keep-alive\r\n"
"\r\n";
char Response[1000] = {};

send(Socket, Request, strlen(Request), 0)
recv(Socket, Response, strlen(Response), 0);

Yeah I know, but now implement send and recv and everything they call. That's what I'm talking about

And implement TCP and IP and Ethernet

All I'm saying is the massive quantity of stuff most people ignore is just enormous

[RDCA]

This topic almost has become a joke.... TIL that engineers aren't scientists, CS students know nothing of the low level (oh no we don't take any ASM or hardware/PIC classes... wait, fuck we do), examples are very hard for some, people still don't understand servers are computers, scientists are God's gift and engineers are meant to till the soil. K.

[Infinity.]

Scientists are God's gift and engineers are meant to till the soil. K.

This is literally a sad reality of the world we live in.