[Pronouncer]

User In Question: https://hackforums.net/member.php?action...id=2815887

Thread In Question: https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5824805

First of all thank you for clicking on this thread, i hope im not wrong but my gut feeling says i am right.

Lets explore the user in Question first of.

Lets look at his a Marketing thread. The user Tried to sell an ebook at first, but after a review by a member on this site, showing the extremlely poor quality of the guide, he closed his sales threads, he closed it just days after seeing as no one would purchase anymore.





Lets Explore the users Rep, His first two pages are built of him doing GFX

Then we stumble upon this



Lets look into this
(Notification from rep) https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5808005
(The sales thread) https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5803654



Selling public packs is pretty shitty thing to do, none the less its not part of this report, but its something to add so we can build a persona about this user.

Next off we see this



Paypal Limited ? Hmm thats really odd how he uses it till today,  🤝  

Lets Analyse this rep in specific



The user creates numerous currency exchange threads trying to change PP to BTC? How with a limited PP, also look at the amounts, its very close to the amounts in his thread for phones.





Now whats odd lets analyse the thread some more to get to the MAIN POINTS

Icarus promises Tracking information to his customers, however so far not a single person has recieved any



Now this is where things get saucy, the user is aggressive in terms of how he aquired the devices.



The proffesional attitude is gone the second people question it.

The locations never seem to match up

PRIVATE DM TIME

ill leave it at his own messages for you to make your mind up. Why numerous locations and constant Reships huh  🤝


If people recieve thier devices ill be more than happy to close this and apologise

Well here is an update, OP used to try sell apple products on HF, here is a Private PM From him



OP STATES HE SE'd some devices

Check below for the GIF proof (Ran out of images on this_)

[Riyu]

This can be seen as harassment tbh.
There's no actual proof of anything.

[Pronouncer]

This can be seen as harassment tbh.
There's no actual proof of anything.

Numerous Reships, Different inbound locations from the phone

"So dont buy, easy as that" the second someone mentions legality

Edit: Thats what he says not me

[Pronouncer]

Closing as there is no need for posts on this

[2073436]

This can be seen as harassment tbh.
There's no actual proof of anything.

I don't feel like it's harassment
OP is stating events related to the seller that are quite shady
As he said, make your own conclusion out of it - he's not claiming they ARE carded, but they could be. Why shouldn't it be possible for someone to offer more insight into someone's history that's now taking lots of high-end orders from the community? Most people don't actually intensively look into the seller's history before making the decision of purchasing.

I've received multiple PMs regarding the reputation that I left on his profile and I got told things that didn't match with what Icarus claims on his thread
I assume OP's goal is to warn the community, not to disrupt sales - considering he's not offering any competitive services, I find that perfectly reasonable.

In regards to the seller, he's been extremely shady in regards to this service - first off he claims he's shipping from multiple locations. Then he claims it's from a private address.
As you can see in the last pictures, he's indirectly admitting that it's illegally obtained. Since when is it possible to allow illegally obtained products on this forum?
Is it suddenly allowed just because you don't mention it directly? That's not making sense to me - how he's getting these products at almost production value

Furthermore, Icarus is happy to answer questions in regards to sales but when it comes to deeper questions - he avoids them or answers aggressively towards potentional customers. That's a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

Not to mention that fact that it's been over 50 hours (2 days) over the date that Icarus promised to deliver the tracking numbers to the current customers. That's shady as well. It's starting to add up.

We have to trust Icarus that he's got the right partner who's actually going to be shipping these out and that they are completely real. He avoids questions regarding his partner as well but I feel like the interested buyers have a right to know. Ultimately, they're the ones spending hundreds of dollars on this
If Icarus is indeed legitimate, then it's only a matter of time before this whole thread becomes invalid. Up until that happens, I feel like it should stay.

[Mommy‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎]

Theres usually 2 reasons someone answers aggressively.
1. People that are scamming get accused of scamming and angrily defend themselves.
2. Someone gets enough business to where they dont need your sale and even someone questioning/being a pest to them is unnecessary to their business.

With that being said, if its on HF, its not usually number 2 because everyone is always trying to get rich on forums and need customers thats why they are posting their business to the forum in the first place.
If the business is legitimate anyone would be able to pull in customers off the street if he truly wanted to, but seller chooses not to.

I dont know every aspect of the situation and havent seen both sides of the story nor am I accusing anyone of anything. Im just stating what I notice a lot when I conduct business on/off site. Hope this all gets sorted out for seller and OP. Thanks for reading.

[FamousHater]

I don't feel like it's harassment
OP is stating events related to the seller that are quite shady
As he said, make your own conclusion out of it - he's not claiming they ARE carded, but they could be. Why shouldn't it be possible for someone to offer more insight into someone's history that's now taking lots of high-end orders from the community? Most people don't actually intensively look into the seller's history before making the decision of purchasing.

I've received multiple PMs regarding the reputation that I left on his profile and I got told things that didn't match with what Icarus claims on his thread
I assume OP's goal is to warn the community, not to disrupt sales - considering he's not offering any competitive services, I find that perfectly reasonable.

In regards to the seller, he's been extremely shady in regards to this service - first off he claims he's shipping from multiple locations. Then he claims it's from a private address.
As you can see in the last pictures, he's indirectly admitting that it's illegally obtained. Since when is it possible to allow illegally obtained products on this forum?
Is it suddenly allowed just because you don't mention it directly? That's not making sense to me - how he's getting these products at almost production value

Furthermore, Icarus is happy to answer questions in regards to sales but when it comes to deeper questions - he avoids them or answers aggressively towards potentional customers. That's a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

Not to mention that fact that it's been over 50 hours (2 days) over the date that Icarus promised to deliver the tracking numbers to the current customers. That's shady as well. It's starting to add up.

We have to trust Icarus that he's got the right partner who's actually going to be shipping these out and that they are completely real. He avoids questions regarding his partner as well but I feel like the interested buyers have a right to know. Ultimately, they're the ones spending hundreds of dollars on this
If Icarus is indeed legitimate, then it's only a matter of time before this whole thread becomes invalid. Up until that happens, I feel like it should stay.

it is as all op posted was speculation.

[Pronouncer]

I never once said its FULL Proof, i said make your own mind up. The user inderectly saying they're obtained by blackhat methods should be enough to let people know what they're getting into

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Before anyone says i got no Proof of SE as he denies the PM



Where i show him the GIF and he says i fake it
https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?ti...id57010222

Well now he changed it to say he doesnt know what SE is

[2073436]

Again, he flat-out lied about the SE PM - clear evidence of that
No words for this anymore

[Prox]

At the prices for brand new phones Icarus is offering, it's obvious that he's not simply buying low and selling high.. If the bulk volume of phones he claims to be receiving and selling is true, then there is no doubt he has found a way to borderline-illegally (Probably SE in this case) obtain wholesale phones at a low, if not free, price.

Now, you don't necessarily have to claim or say where you obtain your goods from, but SE is disallowed and he shouldn't of said that through PMs.

What it comes down to is if he's sending them from a safe private address, if he's dropshipping them from a company such as apple or another wholesaler, or if he's flat out scamming (which is unlikely since pretty much everybody went through Minimalist). Until someone who already paid gets a tracking number and phone, we won't know.

Anyway, he probably SE'd them in bulk and is selling them at a discount.. Which is obvious and people on HF buying should never think a price too good to be true is 100% legal. Go to eBay.

[Pronouncer]

At the prices for brand new phones Icarus is offering, it's obvious that he's not simply buying low and selling high.. If the bulk volume of phones he claims to be receiving and selling is true, then there is no doubt he has found a way to borderline-illegally (Probably SE in this case) obtain wholesale phones at a low, if not free, price.

Now, you don't necessarily have to claim or say where you obtain your goods from, but SE is disallowed and he shouldn't of said that through PMs.

What it comes down to is if he's sending them from a safe private address, if he's dropshipping them from a company such as apple or another wholesaler, or if he's flat out scamming (which is unlikely since pretty much everybody went through Minimalist). Until someone who already paid gets a tracking number and phone, we won't know.

Anyway, he probably SE'd them in bulk and is selling them at a discount.. Which is obvious and people on HF buying should never think a price too good to be true is 100% legal. Go to eBay.

Ofcourse, it may arrive at them safely, i never stated fully that they would never ever come. Its the point They are Se'd or obtained with Blackhat methods. We have proof of SE next is to prove the BH gaining method 🤝

[FamousHater]

since he admitted to SE'ing phones then u pm the proof to eagle 95 and he will deal with it

dont see point of this thread

[Wet Rag]

[Pronouncer]

since he admitted to SE'ing phones then u pm the proof to eagle 95 and he will deal with it

dont see point of this thread

🤝 🤝 Doing it right now

[2073436]

At the prices for brand new phones Icarus is offering, it's obvious that he's not simply buying low and selling high.. If the bulk volume of phones he claims to be receiving and selling is true, then there is no doubt he has found a way to borderline-illegally (Probably SE in this case) obtain wholesale phones at a low, if not free, price.

Now, you don't necessarily have to claim or say where you obtain your goods from, but SE is disallowed and he shouldn't of said that through PMs.

What it comes down to is if he's sending them from a safe private address, if he's dropshipping them from a company such as apple or another wholesaler, or if he's flat out scamming (which is unlikely since pretty much everybody went through Minimalist). Until someone who already paid gets a tracking number and phone, we won't know.

Anyway, he probably SE'd them in bulk and is selling them at a discount.. Which is obvious and people on HF buying should never think a price too good to be true is 100% legal. Go to eBay.

Well said.
He directly admitted ON the forum that this is social engineering. That is NOT allowed on HF. Why isn't this sales thread removed?