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Paper Trail UID 4269493 Buying HF Products & Reselling Them On Other Forums

Hey guys, so the user Paper Trail formerly known as "Central" UID 4269493 purchased my product on August 6th.

I received a PM on August 11th asking me if I am "Valkirk" from another forum. I immediately questioned what that meant and was told somebody was pretending to be me and is selling my product on another forum under the username Valkirk.

I decided from the get go I was going to take this seriously, nobody should be allowed to purchase products here and steal from the seller by reselling them without their permission.

I decided to look into this "Valkirk" and obviously because this reselling took place on another forum that may be considered a competing site I'm going to do my best to make sure that any screenshots I have of this do not mention the site name.

I was able to determine that the sales started on the other forum on August 8th meaning it was likely that only a short time had passed between the time this user started selling my product after buying it from me. As well, I was able to narrow down who it was fairly simply by looking at the IP addresses I have of each customer on Selly and comparing it with the limited view of IP addresses that this other forum allows users to see of other users.

I was able to determine that the user formerly known as Central, UID 4269493 had the same last two digits on his IP address as the person who was wrongfully selling my product.

That alone obviously is not at all enough information, I then went through both Central's posts on Hackforums, and Valkirk's post on the other forum to determine they have the same real name and the same age.  This alone is also not enough information. When I searched Central's Skype (live:centralhf) it has the same avatar as Valkirk on the other forum.

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He had literally copied every word of my sales thread, put it to text, copied my signature, the earning proofs, etc and started sales on the other forum. This is not acceptable.

When confronted on Discord he denied it was him before blocking me. He then added me to his ignore list on Hackforums and today has changed his username.

I have further identifying information about this user that connects him as the seller, but to make sure I'm not violating HF policy I will withhold this information if anybody of importance here would like that information I'd be happy to provide it.

Also as of a moment a go he is now banned on the other forum after this entire explanation was given to staff there, I don't think HF staff will do anything since his actions were off site but it's important for the community to be aware of this user who has now changed his username and is trying to hide in plain sight as a buyer that he will potentially steal your product and try reselling on other forums.

Nowadays? I'm just here for the nostalgia.
The blatant copying would have been sufficient for me to file a legal copyright claim. Especially if earnings were high enough to warrant an official investigation. Then again, I don't know about the legality of your business but it is extremely nice of you to warn us about this unacceptable behavior. Good luck with any further sales and I hope he gets what he deserves.
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(Aug 13, 2019 09:54 PM)MavenGradle Wrote:  The blatant copying would have been sufficient for me to file a legal copyright claim. Especially if earnings were high enough to warrant an official investigation. Then again, I don't know about the legality of your business but it is extremely nice of you to warn us about this unacceptable behavior. Good luck with any further sales and I hope he gets what he deserves.

Well from what I can see he only got about one sale, still that's money that should've went to me. The product has a lot of value to it so it's frustrating to see somebody steal it from me and try to profit off my work.

I don't have a copyright to a product like this mate, as frustrated as I was over the last couple days dealing with this moron, I wouldn't have bothered with it but definitely had some thoughts of doing very illegal things with his very very personal information - Obviously came to realization that it's not worth it though-.

It didn't help that it took about three days for the staff on the other forum to take me seriously and take action. Also he made multi accounts on the other forum as "Bluffer.." trying to say that he's me from HF (even did a intro thread 'hey its bluffer from hf") and that he has permission, what a joke!

Nowadays? I'm just here for the nostalgia.
Yeah bluffer that seems pretty messed up, you could probably take legal action like MavenGradle said. I hope all get's resolved though and it seems pretty common place for leakers/leechers to be doing this recently. Thanks for the heads up.
(Aug 13, 2019 10:02 PM)Bluffer Wrote:  Well from what I can see he only got about one sale, still that's money that should've went to me. The product has a lot of value to it so it's frustrating to see somebody steal it from me and try to profit off my work.

I don't have a copyright to a product like this mate, as frustrated as I was over the last couple days dealing with this moron, I wouldn't have bothered with it but definitely had some thoughts of doing very illegal things with his very very personal information - Obviously came to realization that it's not worth it though-.

It didn't help that it took about three days for the staff on the other forum to take me seriously and take action. Also he made multi accounts on the other forum as "Bluffer.." trying to say that he's me from HF (even did a intro thread 'hey its bluffer from hf") and that he has permission, what a joke!

Coincidentally, I found this in the list of useful links here on HF about an hour or so ago:
https://hackforums.net/verifysecret.php

It should offer you some kind of secret to verify your identity and it would perhaps be wise to include this in your thread or even in the PDF or document of your method so members from other places can use this to verify that they're dealing with you.
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(Aug 13, 2019 10:02 PM)Bluffer Wrote:  Also he made multi accounts on the other forum as "Bluffer.." trying to say that he's me from HF (even did a intro thread 'hey its bluffer from hf") and that he has permission, what a joke!
That's even more messed up. I don't know I think staff here would probably do something about this because this is selling other members work and also impersonation.
Thanks for the information I will make sure to NEVER sell to this user.
Paper Trail went from going top jail for selling drugs to selling stolen ebooks on different forums, at least he is getting better (I think?)
Wish I could link the article of his arrest, dude looks just like how you would expect him to
(Aug 14, 2019 12:37 AM)Khasper Wrote:  Paper Trail went from going top jail for selling drugs to selling stolen ebooks on different forums, at least he is getting better (I think?)
Wish I could link the article of his arrest, dude looks just like how you would expect him to

LOL yep when I googled his name I couldn't stop laughing.

Nowadays? I'm just here for the nostalgia.


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