(May 11, 2020 10:29 AM)Driz Wrote: Bruh I like the fact you aren't pushing it with the gear unlike a lot of guys I know. What is your own experience with Test E when compared to the other esters? I'm yet to run my first cycle but probably next year end due to the shitshow that this year has been. I plan on a simple 300g Test cycle but I haven't thought on the ester yet. Also ik side effects are subjective but how has it been for you?
Yeah, I don't need to, playing smart it's what's needed. And I look on this for a long term. The only difference between using tons of gear and less of gear is that with tons of gear you can make incredible if not insane amount of progress in such a short period of time but you gonna screw your body, because the next time you will want more gear because you've been amazed from the results. But if you keep it nice and steady you will have the same progress just in a bit longer period of time it will be achieved.
Anyway, I've never been using any other esters except for testosterone E. Because I found that test E is the best for beginners and one of the most used testosterone out there.
The only difference between all the esters are: frequency of injection and dosage.
I would advice you to go for test e because it doesn't require to be injected that frequently and make sure you split your dosage in half. So that you inject Monday morning and Thursday afternoon, so it is exactly 4 and a half days of it's half life. In your case it would be 150mg Monday morning and 150mg Thursday afternoon. Reason why you want to split the dosage amount and have 2 injections per week rather than one is to have stable test levels. Because if you just inject only once and that would be Monday, at Thursday ur test levels will start to decrease and those days you might start to feel a bit weak, overall you will notice the difference. That's why the best is to inject twice a week so you can have that normal and stable line of test.
I had 0 side effects. Even though since my first cycle I've been on a test e 400mg a week up to this day (of course with breaks). But what I did is the following.
Tip 1: Make sure you are at 10-12% bodyfat else if you are more than this then you will be most likely more prone towards gyno and that's the last thing you wanna have. Usually your mid part aka abs should be flat and it's good if you have somewhat visible abs. Overall if you are at like 15% bodyfat then don't even consider doing unless you drop your bodyfat percentage lower.
Tip 2: Don't be an idiot and try to save money by not doing blood work. You need to do 3 blood works. Before starting the cycle to see how's your blood levels, then mid cycle (to determine whether you need an AI or not), usually this mid cycle people either do an early mid cycle blood work at week 5 or they go at week 6. It's totally optional. Unless you feel like you are starting to develop a gyno then you will go and do the bloodwork at week 5. The least thing you want to do is to take some AI without knowing where your estrogen levels are and never take AI based on "how you feel", and if you crash your estrogen then you will fuk yourself so hard, it's not that great. And then the last blood work should be done 2 weeks after u finish your PCT (post cycle therapy) to see how you've recovered.
Tip 3: In case you are prone to acne or similar of this type, or you had a bit more acne back when you were a teenager I would advice you to drink more water. If you have been drinking let's say 4L, up your water intake to 6L a day. You will notice how your skin will change and will be more soft and your face will be more clean. Water plays a huge role. And do 2 showers instead of 1. Usually after you wake up and after your gym.
Tip 4: Don't be an idiot and eat all kind of food. One of the main rules before starting a steroid cycle is to learn how your body reacts to certain type of food and how many calories you need in order to gain/lose/maintain weight. If you haven't figure out your diet or what works best for you then I wouldn't advice you to even bother start with steroid cycle. Because you will have 0 improvement. You might feel a bit stronger and lift a bit heavier at the gym but that's pretty much it. So, make sure your diet is sorted and you know what diet works best for you.
Tip 5: Get vitamins and minerals. It's one of the essential things during the steroid cycle. Because of how much you will be rocking hard at the gym your body will be depleted and you will need vitamins and minerals. I personally been using Animal Pak.
Tip 6: Don't throw money on gainers or other type of supplements. The only thing you will need is real food. And from supplementation you'll need BCAA and vitamins and minerals. However this is optional, if you have the budget go for it, if not it's totally fine (make sure you add more veggies&fruits in your diet and you are good to go). And don't buy preworkout while being on a cycle. The stimulants might have negative impact on you. i.e make you feel sleepy, tired, not being able to sleep at night. Like seriously you don't need preworkout while being on a cycle because you will feel a lot more motivated and will have a lot of energy. Save the money to buy better and quality food.
Tip 7: 8 hours of sleep is a must. You will notice sometimes even if you sleep like 5 hours you will feel like you've been sleeping for 12 hours and that you don't feel the need of more. That is due to your test levels been up which means higher test levels, less rest time needed. However you need 8 hours of sleep in order for your muscles to grow, even though you will feel fine with just 5 hours of sleep. Always aim for 8 hours.
Tip 8: I know you will feel powerful in the gym but don't go too crazy with the weights because this is how most of these "beginners" injure themselves. They jump on cycle they feel strong and they start banging heavy weights and at the end they'll end up injuring themselves. Play smart and stretch a lot before working out. Usually I stretch for around 10-15 minutes, do cardio on the machine for another 10 minutes to warm up my entire body and then start lifting. Don't be like one of those idiots that walk right away from the door and start with heavy weights. You gotta work your way up to there. Also after each workout, perform another stretch to minimize the potential of getting cramps. However I am not saying that you should be even doing light weights, but do it in a way that you feel safe and you know you won't injure yourself. Also you will notice that you'll recover quickly the next day when you wake up. That's why you can use this to your advantage and work on your muscle groups 2x a week to maximize your gains. Usually I was working out like this: Chest/Triceps(Monday), Back/Biceps(Tuesday), Legs/Shoulders/Traps(Wednesday), Triceps/Chest(Thursday), Biceps/Back(Friday), Shoulders/Legs/Traps(Saturday) and Sunday is my day off. And I was working out my abs when I wake up in the morning immediately on an empty stomach for 20 minutes Mon - Sat. Exercises wise/sets I was doing the following: 8 exercises per main group and 4 exercises per "secondary group". Example: Chest 8 exercises/Triceps 4 exercises (Monday). 6-7 sets per exercise and repetition wise: 15,12,10,8,6,4,2. Usually on my very first exercise my first 2 sets are kinda like a warmup. My total gym session was 2 hours.
Tip 9: Don't underestimate the HCG. I've linked above in one of the posts the protocol for HCG, use that one. And don't do more than 12 weeks of steroid cycle. If you decide to go for 16 weeks your body will have hard time recovering, god knows if you'll ever recover. Safe bet is 12 weeks with following the HCG protocol from the link above I posted.
Tip 10: Don't stack other gear. The idea is to see how you will react on your first cycle with only 1 compound. That's why test e is the safe bet. Don't do orals and don't be afraid of needles. The least thing you want is to do orals on your first cycle. You'll screw yourself so bad that you'll blame yourself the entire life and you will end up damaging your liver/kidneys a lot. Simply not worth it unless you get some more experience.
Tip 11: If you are under 25-26 yold don't consider steroids. You still have tons of potential to make tons of muscle at this age. Once you hit 26-27 you will notice a slight decrease in your energy and this is why most people will consider taking steroids.
Tip 12: After injecting yourself, if you end up sitting or laying in bed your glute will be so sore the next day, it's not even funny. That's why the best is after injecting yourself, I would say 30 min later do some walking for like 10-15 minutes to prevent your glute from being sore. You might notice that you'll have lumps. That's totally normal from injecting. And always rotate the injecting sites. For example Monday you inject in your left glute, Thursday in your right, then next Monday in your left etc ... Never inject on same side, this way you'll prevent from breaking your muscle tissue and without any scars. Make sure you shower before injecting that way you'll keep your body nice and clean and always use pre-injecting alcohol swabs and never reuse needles.
I used 2.5ml syringe.
21G needle for drawing from the vial (40mm length, 1 1/2 inch)
23G needle for injecting (30mm length, 1 1/4 inch).
For HCG I used 1ml insulin syringe with 27G fixed needle (12mm length)
You use 1 alcohol swab to wipe the top of your vial (you don't need to rub it or anything, just swipe once and let it dry, usually it takes 10-20 seconds) and another alcohol swab for the injecting area on your glute.
Considering all these tips on my very first cycle I had 0 side effects, lost only 1kg after going off the cycle which is amazing. And kept 95% of the muscle I've built. Unlike some of my friends who were partying, drinking alcohol, eating junkfood, they had progress during the cycle but as soon as they went off they lost all of their gains.
(May 11, 2020 12:10 PM)humanbody Wrote: Yeah, I don't need to, playing smart it's what's needed. And I look on this for a long term. The only difference between using tons of gear and less of gear is that with tons of gear you can make incredible if not insane amount of progress in such a short period of time but you gonna screw your body, because the next time you will want more gear because you've been amazed from the results. But if you keep it nice and steady you will have the same progress just in a bit longer period of time it will be achieved.
Anyway, I've never been using any other esters except for testosterone E. Because I found that test E is the best for beginners and one of the most used testosterone out there.
The only difference between all the esters are: frequency of injection and dosage.
I would advice you to go for test e because it doesn't require to be injected that frequently and make sure you split your dosage in half. So that you inject Monday morning and Thursday afternoon, so it is exactly 4 and a half days of it's half life. In your case it would be 150mg Monday morning and 150mg Thursday afternoon. Reason why you want to split the dosage amount and have 2 injections per week rather than one is to have stable test levels. Because if you just inject only once and that would be Monday, at Thursday ur test levels will start to decrease and those days you might start to feel a bit weak, overall you will notice the difference. That's why the best is to inject twice a week so you can have that normal and stable line of test.
I had 0 side effects. Even though since my first cycle I've been on a test e 400mg a week up to this day (of course with breaks). But what I did is the following.
Tip 1: Make sure you are at 10-12% bodyfat else if you are more than this then you will be most likely more prone towards gyno and that's the last thing you wanna have. Usually your mid part aka abs should be flat and it's good if you have somewhat visible abs. Overall if you are at like 15% bodyfat then don't even consider doing unless you drop your bodyfat percentage lower.
Tip 2: Don't be an idiot and try to save money by not doing blood work. You need to do 3 blood works. Before starting the cycle to see how's your blood levels, then mid cycle (to determine whether you need an AI or not), usually this mid cycle people either do an early mid cycle blood work at week 5 or they go at week 6. It's totally optional. Unless you feel like you are starting to develop a gyno then you will go and do the bloodwork at week 5. The least thing you want to do is to take some AI without knowing where your estrogen levels are and never take AI based on "how you feel", and if you crash your estrogen then you will fuk yourself so hard, it's not that great. And then the last blood work should be done 2 weeks after u finish your PCT (post cycle therapy) to see how you've recovered.
Tip 3: In case you are prone to acne or similar of this type, or you had a bit more acne back when you were a teenager I would advice you to drink more water. If you have been drinking let's say 4L, up your water intake to 6L a day. You will notice how your skin will change and will be more soft and your face will be more clean. Water plays a huge role. And do 2 showers instead of 1. Usually after you wake up and after your gym.
Tip 4: Don't be an idiot and eat all kind of food. One of the main rules before starting a steroid cycle is to learn how your body reacts to certain type of food and how many calories you need in order to gain/lose/maintain weight. If you haven't figure out your diet or what works best for you then I wouldn't advice you to even bother start with steroid cycle. Because you will have 0 improvement. You might feel a bit stronger and lift a bit heavier at the gym but that's pretty much it. So, make sure your diet is sorted and you know what diet works best for you.
Tip 5: Get vitamins and minerals. It's one of the essential things during the steroid cycle. Because of how much you will be rocking hard at the gym your body will be depleted and you will need vitamins and minerals. I personally been using Animal Pak.
Tip 6: Don't throw money on gainers or other type of supplements. The only thing you will need is real food. And from supplementation you'll need BCAA and vitamins and minerals. However this is optional, if you have the budget go for it, if not it's totally fine (make sure you add more veggies&fruits in your diet and you are good to go). And don't buy preworkout while being on a cycle. The stimulants might have negative impact on you. i.e make you feel sleepy, tired, not being able to sleep at night. Like seriously you don't need preworkout while being on a cycle because you will feel a lot more motivated and will have a lot of energy. Save the money to buy better and quality food.
Tip 7: 8 hours of sleep is a must. You will notice sometimes even if you sleep like 5 hours you will feel like you've been sleeping for 12 hours and that you don't feel the need of more. That is due to your test levels been up which means higher test levels, less rest time needed. However you need 8 hours of sleep in order for your muscles to grow, even though you will feel fine with just 5 hours of sleep. Always aim for 8 hours.
Tip 8: I know you will feel powerful in the gym but don't go too crazy with the weights because this is how most of these "beginners" injure themselves. They jump on cycle they feel strong and they start banging heavy weights and at the end they'll end up injuring themselves. Play smart and stretch a lot before working out. Usually I stretch for around 10-15 minutes, do cardio on the machine for another 10 minutes to warm up my entire body and then start lifting. Don't be like one of those idiots that walk right away from the door and start with heavy weights. You gotta work your way up to there. Also after each workout, perform another stretch to minimize the potential of getting cramps. However I am not saying that you should be even doing light weights, but do it in a way that you feel safe and you know you won't injure yourself. Also you will notice that you'll recover quickly the next day when you wake up. That's why you can use this to your advantage and work on your muscle groups 2x a week to maximize your gains. Usually I was working out like this: Chest/Triceps(Monday), Back/Biceps(Tuesday), Legs/Shoulders/Traps(Wednesday), Triceps/Chest(Thursday), Biceps/Back(Friday), Shoulders/Legs/Traps(Saturday) and Sunday is my day off. And I was working out my abs when I wake up in the morning immediately on an empty stomach for 20 minutes Mon - Sat. Exercises wise/sets I was doing the following: 8 exercises per main group and 4 exercises per "secondary group". Example: Chest 8 exercises/Triceps 4 exercises (Monday). 6-7 sets per exercise and repetition wise: 15,12,10,8,6,4,2. Usually on my very first exercise my first 2 sets are kinda like a warmup. My total gym session was 2 hours.
Tip 9: Don't underestimate the HCG. I've linked above in one of the posts the protocol for HCG, use that one. And don't do more than 12 weeks of steroid cycle. If you decide to go for 16 weeks your body will have hard time recovering, god knows if you'll ever recover. Safe bet is 12 weeks with following the HCG protocol from the link above I posted.
Tip 10: Don't stack other gear. The idea is to see how you will react on your first cycle with only 1 compound. That's why test e is the safe bet. Don't do orals and don't be afraid of needles. The least thing you want is to do orals on your first cycle. You'll screw yourself so bad that you'll blame yourself the entire life and you will end up damaging your liver/kidneys a lot. Simply not worth it unless you get some more experience.
Tip 11: If you are under 25-26 yold don't consider steroids. You still have tons of potential to make tons of muscle at this age. Once you hit 26-27 you will notice a slight decrease in your energy and this is why most people will consider taking steroids.
Tip 12: After injecting yourself, if you end up sitting or laying in bed your glute will be so sore the next day, it's not even funny. That's why the best is after injecting yourself, I would say 30 min later do some walking for like 10-15 minutes to prevent your glute from being sore. You might notice that you'll have lumps. That's totally normal from injecting. And always rotate the injecting sites. For example Monday you inject in your left glute, Thursday in your right, then next Monday in your left etc ... Never inject on same side, this way you'll prevent from breaking your muscle tissue and without any scars. Make sure you shower before injecting that way you'll keep your body nice and clean and always use pre-injecting alcohol swabs and never reuse needles.
I used 2.5ml syringe.
21G needle for drawing from the vial (40mm length, 1 1/2 inch)
23G needle for injecting (30mm length, 1 1/4 inch).
For HCG I used 1ml insulin syringe with 27G fixed needle (12mm length)
You use 1 alcohol swab to wipe the top of your vial (you don't need to rub it or anything, just swipe once and let it dry, usually it takes 10-20 seconds) and another alcohol swab for the injecting area on your glute.
Considering all these tips on my very first cycle I had 0 side effects, lost only 1kg after going off the cycle which is amazing. And kept 95% of the muscle I've built. Unlike some of my friends who were partying, drinking alcohol, eating junkfood, they had progress during the cycle but as soon as they went off they lost all of their gains.
Thank man I will keep these in mind when I think on my first cycle. Where I come from the most common 1st cycle compound is DBol. Idk its just the trend in this part of the world.My biggest gripe has been with acne as I already suffer gear-levels of acne in the back and delts for some reason. How about hair loss?
You really stacking your pct's hey.
Would you ever double your dosage? I remember when i was on sust i was doing 700mgs a week, Monday & thursday, worked like a beaut, but had crazy acne, all gone now luckily, treated it well.
(May 11, 2020 10:03 PM)Driz Wrote: Thank man I will keep these in mind when I think on my first cycle. Where I come from the most common 1st cycle compound is DBol. Idk its just the trend in this part of the world.My biggest gripe has been with acne as I already suffer gear-levels of acne in the back and delts for some reason. How about hair loss?
All I can say is that people that go for first cycle dianabol they are idiots and they are afraid of needles that's it. I know tons of people in the gym where I go that haven't moved from oral gear at all and they ended up damaging their kidneys and liver. Other reason why they like dianabol is because it's cheap. Like for $50 you will have enough for 1 month of dianabol where with injectibles it's different story. Like I said I got no side effects at all. No hair loss whatsoever.
(May 11, 2020 10:08 PM)Rezy Wrote: You really stacking your pct's hey.
Would you ever double your dosage? I remember when i was on sust i was doing 700mgs a week, Monday & thursday, worked like a beaut, but had crazy acne, all gone now luckily, treated it well.
That doesn't count that much, since it's for PCT. I was talking more about stacking like injectible with orals, like more harsh gear. I would never bump up my dosages at all. I would rather keep it safe and at this dosage it's perfect for me.
(Apr 12, 2020 04:38 AM)humanbody Wrote: I am not worried about it at all. Because I know what I am doing unlike some people where they abuse drug use for years and once they realize they are fully screwed they try to take HCG and later you see them ranting all over the internet how HCG does not help.
That's why the best is whenever you start the cycle, during the cycle you should start taking HCG so your nuts don't shrink and stimulate just enough. Been using steroids for 3 years (same cycle since the beginning, the one that is written above) and I am completely fine, 0 side effects.
This is usually the HCG protocol to follow.
1-7 week cycle - No HCG
8 week cycle - Week 3-8 250iu twice a week
12 week cycle - Week 3-12 250iu twice a week
16 week cycle - Week 3-8 250iu twice a week
Week 11-16 250iu twice a week
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(May 11, 2020 10:51 PM)humanbody Wrote: I don't see anything wrong with the link. If you want me to, I can even copy & paste the text from there in here so you don't have to access the link.
Dunno how often vt fails but something got tagged as malware.
Would be nice tho.
(May 11, 2020 10:03 PM)Driz Wrote: Thank man I will keep these in mind when I think on my first cycle. Where I come from the most common 1st cycle compound is DBol. Idk its just the trend in this part of the world.My biggest gripe has been with acne as I already suffer gear-levels of acne in the back and delts for some reason. How about hair loss?
Suffer from same Acne has you before juice even, i didn't see any hair loss at all & i also did dbol first when i was 17, its dumb, Rather just do a straight test cycle, better results, less water.
(May 11, 2020 10:52 PM)▋▋▋▋▋▋▋▋▋▋▋▋ Wrote: Dunno how often vt fails but something got tagged as malware.
Would be nice tho.
Yeah sure no problem. Here it is.
For all steroid cycles that are longer than 7 weeks, it is recommended to use HCG during the cycle. A small dose of HCG will keep the testicles working as normal as HCG mimics LH and the presence of LH triggers the Leydig cells in the testicles to produce testosterone. If HCG is used, it is very easy to recover after a cycle. When HCG is used during the cycle then it shouldn't be used during PCT. It is also not recommended to use too much HCG as it can also desensitize your testicles the same way if you are not using HCG at all. It is very important to use just the right amount to cause the testicles to produce an identical amount of test as they normally would. Because if you use too little then you won't get any effect and if you use too much then desensitization and other side effects like gyno can occur.
Recommended amounts of HCG based on the cycle length:
1-7 week steroid cycle - No HCG
8 week steroid cycle - Week 3-8 250iu twice a week
12 week steroid cycle - Week 3-12 250iu twice a week
16 week steroid cycle - Week 3-8 250iu twice a week
Week 11-16 250iu twice a week
IF HCG was not used during the cycle it can be used in the last weeks of steroid cycle or during PCT this way:
1-7 week steroid cycle - No HCG
8-week steroid cycle - 1000iu's once a week for 2 weeks
12-week steroid cycle - 1000iu's once a week for 3 weeks
16-week steroid cycle - 1000iu's once a week for 3 weeks
I recommend using Aromatase Inhibitor while doing 1000iu injections to keep estrogen in control because the HCG causes much more testosterone to be produced and it lets more testosterone aromatize to estrogen. And also, HCG at this dose causes a small amount of estrogen to be produced.
If you use HCG during a cycle then it is necessary to stop using HCG 2 weeks before steroids leave your system. This allows your testicles to become sensitive to the natural LH signal from the pituitary gland and lets you quickly recover after the steroids and HCG have cleared your system. That is the main reason why it's recommended to use HCG on cycle because it lets you start fast recovery the moment when PCT starts.
If you are not using HCG during the cycle then it's recommended to start it as soon as possible, preferably while still using steroids.
The least effective way to use HCG is after the cycle. Because, when using steroids your testicles stop producing testosterone because the brain doesn't release LH. When this happens, your testicles decrease in size and become desensitized to the LH when brain finally start releasing it. That's the cause why some people never recover after a long AAS cycle even though they use HCG, HMG, SERMS and other drugs. Because if testicles have been shut down for too long, they become permanently desensitised.
May 11, 2020 11:04 PM
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(Apr 11, 2020 08:26 AM)humanbody Wrote: Well there's quite a few that are still taking. And most of them got screwed by the virus just like me so they either low dosages or stop taking and do PCT right away.
I am not sure what you mean by "post body", if it's a picture, I would rather not. I'll just drop my stats below.
Height: 6.4ft
Weight: 220
You don't necessarily have to go low dosages.
Get a dip bar, and get a pull up bar and look into real calisthenics.
You'll get a much nicer body than you would in the gym.
Two years ago I quit going to the gym after going since I was 15. (I'm 25 now) I then started Calisthenics and dude I'm never lifting a weight again.
Weight lifting is so fucking boring, there ain't nothing to it. Also when you're on juice you have a tendency to train what will give you the most pump. So your body will become asymmetrical. I used to neglect Abs training for one.
In Calisthenics you train your abs no matter what you do.
It's amazing.
BTW: In all my cycles I've never taken HCG during the cycle, always took it as PCT. But if possible it is always better to take it MCT indeed.
(May 11, 2020 11:04 PM)Deal Wrote: You don't necessarily have to go low dosages.
Get a dip bar, and get a pull up bar and look into real calisthenics.
You'll get a much nicer body than you would in the gym.
Two years ago I quit going to the gym after going since I was 15. (I'm 25 now) I then started Calisthenics and dude I'm never lifting a weight again.
Weight lifting is so fugging boring, there ain't nothing to it. Also when you're on juice you have a tendency to train what will give you the most pump. So your body will become asymmetrical. I used to neglect Abs training for one.
In Calisthenics you train your abs no matter what you do.
It's amazing.
BTW: In all my cycles I've never taken HCG during the cycle, always took it as PCT. But if possible it is always better to take it MCT indeed.
Everyone has it's own preference but I don't like calisthenics at all. It's not for me. Maybe for someone like you, and I don't mind at all, you know whatever works for you the best. I prefer this way. I train hard I do my cardio I do my abs and that's it. I don't have any asymmetrical issues at all, fixed that long time ago, I was always working on my muscle groups where they needed adjustments so overall my body looks great. And I am training abs pretty much every single day, except for Sundays. I used to compete for around 6 years so I know pretty much what I am doing 🤣. And I never aim for that "big look" where you can barely walk. I always do stretching and do different types of cardio and exercises to keep me flexible and not feel like a giant turd who can barely walk or even put on a shirt.
(May 11, 2020 10:54 PM)Rezy Wrote: Suffer from same Acne has you before juice even, i didn't see any hair loss at all & i also did dbol first when i was 17, its dumb, Rather just do a straight test cycle, better results, less water.
I had one of my college seniors run dbol on his first cycle. He gave me a long ass speech as to why it was a terrible choice. He was holding a ton of water but strong as fuck lol. Regardless, price isnt a problem for me. Where I come from, you get pharma grade gear at dirt cheap prices. $100 for a Winny Cycle with PCT included. $10 for complete bloodwork & shit.
(May 11, 2020 11:50 PM)Driz Wrote: I had one of my college seniors run dbol on his first cycle. He gave me a long ass speech as to why it was a terrible choice. He was holding a ton of water but strong as fugg lol. Regardless, price isnt a problem for me. Where I come from, you get pharma grade gear at dirt cheap prices. $100 for a Winny Cycle with PCT included. $10 for complete bloodwork & Clay Davis.
There you go. Dbol gives you tons of strength in short period of time but tons of water retention. Usually people take it as a preworkout or just as a kickstart of a cycle then they completely drop it off. But since all this stuff is cheap for you I would advice you to do 3x bloodworks, pre/mid cycle/after cycle, get test with pct and hcg and you are good to go. And don't be an idiot to re-use the needles 🤣
May 12, 2020 12:05 AM
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(May 11, 2020 11:50 PM)Driz Wrote: I had one of my college seniors run dbol on his first cycle. He gave me a long ass speech as to why it was a terrible choice. He was holding a ton of water but strong as fugg lol. Regardless, price isnt a problem for me. Where I come from, you get pharma grade gear at dirt cheap prices. $100 for a Winny Cycle with PCT included. $10 for complete bloodwork & Clay Davis.
where you from? I live in a country with also cheap gear but becareful of underground labs, tend to look for more reputable that cheap, Also what cycle you getting for $100? is it just winstrol & what pct?
(May 12, 2020 12:05 AM)Rezy Wrote: where you from? I live in a country with also cheap gear but becareful of underground labs, tend to look for more reputable that cheap, Also what cycle you getting for $100? is it just winstrol & what pct?
I'm Indian. There's no UGL here atleast for most gear, except I guess, and this is a complete guess, Tren. Gym culture here is pretty straightforward, you'll be peddled with drugs almost the moment you set foot in a Gym. If you're friends with the big guy, don't be surprised if the 4 - 5th convo goes into offering a 'mass gainer', barely anyone except competitiors use the term 'steroids'. Most mass gainers are just cheap protein powders laced with dbol here.
I don't really remember the name of the med my trainer mentioned but he said it costs like Rs. 250, around $4.
The problem is a Winstrol cycle + PCT is $100, but so is Test E + PCT. If your gym guy gets you the stuff they take a cut so you end up paying more. You can walk into a pharmacy and get the same shit for less. Also, if you live in a small locality or something and you know the pharmacy guy, you don't have to worry about injections as they will do it for you, after charging a minimal amount.
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