[Bluffer]

Have been in this server over a month and a half now. I couldn't be happier with a betting group. This is as good as you will ever see on Hackforums. Professionally operated, the picks are made by people who do extensive research as I mentioned in my previous review and in the last week I've had some nice profits from smallish bets.





Looking forward to being in this betting group for a long time to come.

[Golden Complex]

Nothing like some good ol' fashioned win porn from our members 😎 :

[Deep Impact]

is it possible to pay by paypal?

[SHAL0M]

is it possible to pay by paypal?

Yep! we certainly accept PayPal as one of our payment methods.
Get in quick while the service is still operating out of its early discounted pricing structure!

If you have any problems or questions follow the contact info linked on the thread or simply shoot me a DM!

[Deep Impact]

@AIBot: i just made a purchase thru paypal and tried to join the server on discord but the server is not accessible for me. it says" Messages failed to load". can you please help?

i cant PM you here because im new but i sent you a friend request on discord.

[Golden Complex]

@AIBot: i just made a purchase thru paypal and tried to join the server on discord but the server is not accessible for me. it says" Messages failed to load".  can you please help?

i cant PM you here because im new but i sent you a friend request on discord.

Accepted all FR, but ensure you go to the "Rules" and react in order to access the entire server.

[Cooleojkrock]

Accepted all FR, but ensure you go to the "Rules" and react in order to access the entire server.

Added you on discord my good sir

[Injun Joe]

Are your bets live or preplay?
How many tipsters do you currently have?

[SHAL0M]

Are your bets live or preplay?
How many tipsters do you currently have?

Hi! Thanks for your interest.

All our tips given in the past have been preplay so far. That being said I cannot guarantee in the future when we have more analysts that there won't be any live tips. 

We currently have 2 analysts at Apex providing very high quality tips. At Apex we uphold high expectations and strong KPIs when shifting through potential applicants for analyst positions. We know how important it is to keep performance and quality at its highest standard.

Feel free to shoot me a DM or follow the contact info on the thread if you have any questions you would like to ask.

[Riddick]

Are you able to recommend a Bitcoin site I can use your picks on, even though I am in the UK and most sites say I can't use their service.

[Golden Complex]

Are you able to recommend a Bitcoin site I can use your picks on, even though I am in the UK and most sites say I can't use their service.

Fortunejack

(Do not use this site if you are US)

[Ijvg2]

I just joined the group last night. Apparently we are suffering some loss streaks and miscommunication. Will post a detailed review in a week with either some loss porn or gains.

As it stands right now: I am on the fence, my bookie does not allow for these types of parlays so I personally cannot benefit from them.

Will check back with detailed review in a week.

I dedicated $1,000 to this group to try out the tips.
So far 2 bets from the last 2 days have both failed. (I think the current losing streak is around 3-5 in a row)
-$90 for an account total of $910

I also have dedicated a control group $1,000 of personal picks I will be following my guy and knowledge.
Im up around $280
+280 for an account total of $1,280

The explanation for us losing is that it all averages out statistically wise, which I agree with. We could easily be in the 20% losses they claim to have. However, tons of people in the discord are getting pissed and fed up with losing. I do not blame the members or the analyst, just waiting to see the wins come in. Most of these are really big parlays, so a few wins and you are back up.

This is my updated experience with Apex in about a month and a few days.

Beware all HF Users who are interested in this service. The actual win rate is more like 60ish% instead of 85%. But, even at 60% you will not profit because it's all really low parlay calls. They already closed and deleted one thread because of all the customers complaining when Joker the soccer analyst went on a 6 day loss streak.

I made tons of great high $X,XXX wins and also the same X,XXX losses. Infact there has always been more in losses than wins. I am trying to be unbiased as, the losses aren't a big deal for me this isn't my only tip service, I was simply trying them out.They even approached me telling me to leave a positive review for another week. Joker and JROD the two tipsters you can get tips from in Apex have all used my ticket earnings in their social medias or service threads. The wins are real you see here but the losses are even more real. In the private discord the admins also tell the users not to complain on HF about the losses.

Most if not all the bets submitted by their "top analyst" is 1.57 odds in decimal, meaning if you bet $50 you stand to win about $30-35. Not only that, but prepare to be glued to your phone, because they post tips and within the same hour you must be able to place the bet or you will miss out because all bets are given in some cases 30 minutes before the games start.

I bet over $10,000 daily (bets placed not profit), I use several different tipping services, the thing that really pissed me off about this service is that they are still marketing it as 85% win rate. It's plain fraud to announce that.

Joker has lost the past 2 days now and is no where even close to 70% this month. Just be careful if you decide to join in on the tips as you will get some wins, but the odds are such shit that you will never make profit over the long term. Also if you follow the "betting strategy" that joker suggest you won't even make enough to cover the costs to renew, as the big MASTERMIND TIPSTER himself only bets $15-30 a game with on average 4-5 games tipped per week at 1.5 odds is not enough when you consider losses.

The big majority of the community left once joker went on his week long loss streak, there are maybe 3-4 active people on discord posting besides the admins and 2 tipsters.

Just know, they do not have an 85% win rate, not even 70%. So if you do still want to join, go into for the sports betting experience and expect to lose money.

Other people have called them out for their deceptive marketing practices. They do not I repeat do not actually have an 85% win rate. I have no clue why they are picking and choosing games to post in the spreadsheet. Other members in this thread has called them out even in the discord and this thread and the previous deleted thread.

They seem to be just restarting the threads when people lose and continuing on. I used to be super pumped and even reassuring and positive in the community, but i became furious when I saw them still advertising the 85% win rates.

You guys can do what you want, but i suggest staying away from this one for now until they post a more realistic win rate.

I will upload screenshots of the earnings AND losses sustained while following Apex when I get some time.

[Golden Complex]

Have been in this server over a month and a half now. I couldn't be happier with a betting group. This is as good as you will ever see on Hackforums. Professionally operated, the picks are made by people who do extensive research as I mentioned in my previous review and in the last week I've had some nice profits from smallish bets.





Looking forward to being in this betting group for a long time to come.

Thank you!

This is my updated experience with Apex in about a month and a few days.

Oh boy.  I was going to try and clear up your misguidance privately with you in Discord, but after reading this entire thread I have to clarify the blatantly false things you're posting.  Please read this entire post.

First and foremost, there has never been more than one thread.  This is a serious accusation and it is blatantly false and untrue.  This is the ONLY thread we have ever posted.  We are not "closing and deleting" threads.  No thread has ever been deleted.  There has only ever been one thread opened, and it is still here.  It has never been deleted.  Look at the date of the original post on this thread:




Look at the date of the first announcements in our server:




This thread (Yes, the one we're currently writing on) was opened on the same day as the first announcement in the server. Also, VENDORS cannot just delete their own threads.  Only staff can do that.

We closed the thread temporarily and shut down sales for that period because we wanted to work out a better system in which the money management system was properly communicated and focus on the existing members rather than having to deal with new members.  We lost a LOT of revenue from doing this, so I don't see how you can write about it as if it benefit us somehow.  We did that for the members and they were very grateful for it.  Several members actually wrote about how it showed that we are a better service that puts its members first.  I fail to see how this was negative?

"The actual win rate is more like 60ish% instead of 85%."

Entirely untrue.  You need to follow instructions:  Take into account the recommended bet system and average it out over a period of months, you will see a very high win rate.  For those who aren't a part of the service:  Our football analyst puts out multiple bets at once, several bets and a specific "Recommended bet".  You are supposed to only follow the "Recommended Bet", all other tips are for those who simply wish to bet on more games and are willing to accept a lower win rate.  This user seems to have misunderstood these "non-recommended" bets as being our main signals.   

Also, the win rate is measured over a long period of time.  I can look at JoKeR's trial period and identify certain weeks with a 50% win rate even though those weeks fall within a month with a 92.5% win rate:





Several times that there were consecutive losses, leading to low win-rate weeks (50 - 70%, which is actually still profitable anyways), but with insanely profitable months.

"But, even at 60% you will not profit because it's all really low parlay calls."

Blatantly false.  You are supposed to follow the money management system, not bet the same amount on each tip.  If you have been following the very clearly outlined money management system that is outlined for you (Our football analyst tells you how much to put down on each bet, which you are supposed to calculate as a percentage of your portfolio), then you are in substantial profit.  If you purposely chose not to follow this or otherwise didn't see it, then that is on you.   

By following our money management system, you would be profitable even with a 30% win rate, let alone our high win rate.

If you wish, I'd love to have a voice call with you where I can sharescreen and do the calculations one-by-one, going through the bets of the last month to actually show you how profitable JoKeR has been if you follow our system as it is outlined.  I'll give you a hint:  If you follow instructions, you've made a lot of money this month.  If you don't follow instructions, then your results are not indicative of the group's performance by any means.


"They even approached me telling me to leave a positive review for another week."

Also blatantly false.  This is a serious allegation.  Our team would never do that.  Perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote, so please post proof so that we can break it down.  We offered a free license extension to all members during a specific period of time in February for which the only condition being that you were a member when the announcement was initially made. 

"Other people have called them out for their deceptive marketing practices. They do not I repeat do not actually have an 85% win rate. I have no clue why they are picking and choosing games to post in the spreadsheet. Other members in this thread has called them out even in the discord and this thread and the previous deleted thread."

1)  A member has never "called us out" for anything on this thread.   The only things that members have posted have been positive. The only person who wrote about this thread being a "Deceptive marketing tactic" was one user who hadn't even purchased the service.  He offered to bet $1,000 with me over our real win rate.  I tried to take him up on it and he disappeared.  No user who actually owns the service has written a negative review thus far but you, and it seems that you did not properly follow instructions within the server.

2)  Once again, and I can't stress this enough, we have never deleted a thread.  This is the only thread we have ever posted on HF about this service.  Please stop making that ridiculous claim.

3)  "Picking and choosing games" for the spreadsheet?  What?  Please identify which games have not been posted on the spreadsheet.  This is a blatant lie and a serious accusation.  You need to provide evidence before writing something like that.

"The big majority of the community left once joker went on his week long loss streak, there are maybe 3-4 active people on discord posting besides the admins and 2 tipsters."

What are you talking about?  Ten users have renewed their subscriptions within the last 48 hours alone.  We have more active subscriptions than we have ever had.  People in the server are highly satisfied because this month has been extremely good for our members.  If you chose not follow the instructions and lost money, then that is on you, not us.  Several new people inquire about lifetime licenses daily.  Just look in our general chat.

"Just know, they do not have an 85% win rate, not even 70%. So if you do still want to join, go into for the sports betting experience and expect to lose money."

Once more, you counting non-offical tips.  I'm willing to join a voice call with you and prove how every member who is following instructions is in substantial profit and show that we have a much stronger win rate than 70%.  Are you willing to take me up on this?

Even in the #chat, members are very happy with how things have been this month.  You alone are the only member who has expressed such contempt, and I suspect that it's because you didn't read the instructional channels which outline how you are supposed to follow the tips and lost money because of your own failure to do due diligence. 


Conclusion
Look, I have nothing against negative reviews.  I use them to improve the service.  It's a shame that this is the very first negative review that a member has posted, but beyond that, I have other issues with your post.  You are blatantly lying, but I'd like to believe that you are simply misguided rather than maliciously and consciously being dishonest. 

You have accused us of "Deleting and reopening the thread" when it's more than obvious that this is the only thread we've ever had (Look at the original post date).  You are claiming that members are leaving the server and very few are active when the server is more active than it's ever been (We have more active subscriptions than we have ever had) and our members are very happy (Just look at the last few pages of the thread.  You are our ONLY negative review from a member thus far). 

Please clear up the blatantly false accusations you've made.  I'm more than happy to publicly post our "Recommended Bet" and "Money Management" systems so that you can review them and understand why your claims about the win rate and unprofitability are misguided and false.  This month has been extraordinary for our members, and the only reason someone could be unhappy with the service right now is because they don't understand or chose not to review the instructions.

[Ijvg2]

I will donate $1,000 to st Jude's children's hospital if you can prove with out a doubt that every call that Joker posted landed within an 85% win rate within the last 3 months. Infact I have my betting history to prove its not 75%

It's simply impossible, even OG professional gamblers who bet hundreds of thousands weekly only get 60% win rates MAX.

What you are doing is having Joker post parlays and picks and putting (recommended) next to the bets you suggest the users bet on. Which this practice just started end of last month. Before you were cherry picking what you want to put in that spread sheet. Right now it's easier for you to justify the cherry picking on that spreadsheet because you implemented the (recommend bets) so you can easily cherry pick the good bets. In the past it was, oh well those weren't the recommended ones , sorry.

I was honestly going to put up a good review to get another week just for fun, but became furious when I saw this thread advertising 85% win rate. I am not the only user with problems with it and I'm sure more users will come forward saying the same things I am saying in which the picks are not 85% win rate.

[Golden Complex]

I will donate $1,000 to st Jude's children's hospital if you can prove with out a doubt that every call that Joker posted landed within an 85% win rate within the last 3 months. Infact I have my betting history to prove its not 75%

I'd love to take you up on your offer! You're actually the second user to offer it to me (The last user was a non-paying member) and when I tried to take him up on it he dissappeared (Check the last page). But before addressing this,

Please address every single point from my post:

You claimed that we deleted and reposted the thread in order to eliminate negative reviews, a blatant lie and a serious accusation. What are your thoughts on this? Are you going to redact this?

You claimed that we are omitting games from the performance spreadsheets. Please identify omitted games and/or falsified wins, and I will video share with you details from JoKeR's trial periods showing his tips as they came in prior to the games. I literally offered to do a video call with you three times in the previous post, are you going to take me up on that?

You claimed that we require you to write a positive post in order to receive a free week, and you are parroting this fallacy again in this post. Did you not see my request above to screenshot and prove that? I'm starting to think you didn't even read my reply.

You claimed that other members have posted about this exact misguided claim that you're writing about when not a single paying member besides yourself has written a negative review.

Now, onto your post:

If you are willing to address the blatantly false, salestrashing, slanderous accusations in your original post, I will absolutely take you up on your offer. That being said:

I'm sure that it has fallen below 85% since launch, but far above 70%, and the win rate is measured over a period of [b]several months (As it is in professional fund management services across everywhere) and, as I offered three times in my last post, am willing to do a video call with you to prove that every single game in our performance spreadsheet was actually bet on and that every tip was recorded. I have substantial proof that the trial period performance spreadsheet is genuine, and I offered several times to do a video call with you about this. Before we do anything, I want you to accept this recorded video call.

The irony here is that you are the second user to offer this bet to me and this is the second time I've offered to take it up. Look at the page before this, I took him up on his offer before he disappeared entirely.

So, for the fourth time, are you going to take me up on this video call, are you going to address the slanderous claims that I brought to your attention in my last post, or no?

If you're not willing to read my entire post and take this seriously, I'm not willing to speak with you further. You've made serious accusations, and none of them will stand. This is why your reply ignored every single request for proof I asked for.

On the other hand, if you're willing to address everything I've brought to your attention about your ridiculous claims, take me up on my fourth offer of a video call to settle all of your misconceptions, provide concrete proof that we have deleted threads, offered you a free week for a positive review, omitted games from the performance spreadsheet, closed the thread in order to block negative reviews, been unprofitable (Statistically impossible, and I have the records to back this up if you'd only take me up on my offer to prove it to you, then I am 100% willing to take that bet.

Once more, for the fifth time, only reply when you are ready to address every single point of my post rather than changing the subject. If you're willing to do that, then it's game time!