[Phobix]

Please keep the subject light and informative, as I am genuinely curious. If one culture were to spread and promote the idea that having arranged marriages was not only sanctioned but encouraged, would it be racist to disagree or dislike that culture based on this sentiment? You could argue that the assumption itself is racist, but if a vast majority (90%) factually participate, where is the line drawn?

[Dehyped | 天使]

If you disagree with the idea even though it is widely propagated by the race or culture, that is not inherently racist.
If you are applying your distaste for the concept to a prejudice against the entire race or culture, then the answer is yes.

[ghostboy]

If you disagree with arranged marriages it does not make you racist. If you feel that what a whole race/culture does is morally wrong or you simply do not like it, that still does not make you racist.

[Phobix]

If you disagree with the idea even though it is widely propagated by the race or culture, that is not inherently racist.
If you are applying your distaste for the concept to a prejudice against the entire race or culture, then the answer is yes.

If you disagree with arranged marriages it does not make you racist. If you feel that what a whole race/culture does is morally wrong or you simply do not like it, that still does not make you racist.

Thank you both for your comments. So is it only when you are expressing your view, that you are considered being racist? Or is it when you are applying your view in action towards a member of that race? For example, not wanting my underage niece to visit somebody of that culture's residence who shares the same viewpoint as their home culture.

[ghostboy]

Thank you both for your comments. So is it only when you are expressing your view, that you are considered being racist? Or is it when you are applying your view in action towards a member of that race? For example, not wanting my underage niece to visit somebody of that culture's residence who shares the same viewpoint as their home culture.

It really depends on the place and people involved.
If you are black and dont want your daughter over at that white boys house, “not racist.”
If you are white and dont want your daughter over at that black boys house, “RACIST.”

This is where you see that racism has been made up by western culture. We’ve always been somewhat bias/prejudice towards others. Its like a lazy filter that goes on your brain to autofill details (stereotypes)

We’ve been “racist” since the beginning of time. How do you think native tribes co existed? Do you think they were intelligent enough to make every morally correct decision possible towards rival tribes? Absolutely not.

So is it only when you are expressing your view, that you are considered being racist? Or is it when you are applying your view in action towards a member of that race?

If its in your head, thats on you. Dont let society tell you how to think. Even if you’re thinking about terrible things.

If you apply these things into action, it entirely depends on that action. If you simply did not allow your underage daughter over to someone’s house because you do not agree with the other’s culture, that is not racist. And you shouldn’t have to explain yourself for that.

[Dehyped | 天使]

Thank you both for your comments. So is it only when you are expressing your view, that you are considered being racist? Or is it when you are applying your view in action towards a member of that race? For example, not wanting my underage niece to visit somebody of that culture's residence who shares the same viewpoint as their home culture.

It has nothing to do with expressing your view. It has everything to do with generalizing, stereotyping and prejudice towards members of a race. It's okay to disagree with certain practices or beliefs but if you automatically dislike your niece visiting a person because of assumed traits, behaviors and beliefs based on their race that's different and yes is absolutely the definition of racism.

[ghostboy]

It has nothing to do with expressing your view. It has everything to do with generalizing, stereotyping and prejudice towards members of a race. It's okay to disagree with certain practices or beliefs but if you automatically dislike your niece visiting a person because of assumed traits, behaviors and beliefs based on their race that's different and yes is absolutely the definition of racism.

It is absolutely not racist since he is not barring his underage daughter from seeing this group due to race. Hes not allowing her to go due to cultural confilcts. Which would be prejudice , not racist.

[Dehyped | 天使]

It is absolutely not racist since he is not barring his underage daughter from seeing this group due to race. Hes not allowing her to go due to cultural confilcts. Which would be prejudice , not racist.

Well, that's the distinction that needs to be made. Does he know that this person in particular espouses those beliefs and practices? If so, and that is the only reason for disagreement, you're right. There's nothing wrong with that.

However, if he is assuming that this person espouses certain beliefs and practices based on race with no personal knowledge of the individual and that is the reason for the disagreement, that is prejudice based on race. Prejudice based on race is racism.

[Phobix]

It is absolutely not racist since he is not barring his underage daughter from seeing this group due to race. Hes not allowing her to go due to cultural confilcts. Which would be prejudice , not racist.

I think this is where I'm getting the hiccup. The race is fine, it's their views I don't agree with. And because of those views, her safety is put at risk.

It has nothing to do with expressing your view. It has everything to do with generalizing, stereotyping and prejudice towards members of a race. It's okay to disagree with certain practices or beliefs but if you automatically dislike your niece visiting a person because of assumed traits, behaviors and beliefs based on their race that's different and yes is absolutely the definition of racism.

This is where I conflict though. They support their culture's view on things, and therefore would not make my underage niece feel comfortable due to how they generally act around children.

Well, that's the distinction that needs to be made. Does he know that this person in particular espouses those beliefs and practices? If so, and that is the only reason for disagreement, you're right. There's nothing wrong with that.

However, if he is assuming that this person espouses certain beliefs and practices based on race with no personal knowledge of the individual and that is the reason for the disagreement, that is prejudice based on race. Prejudice based on race is racism.

You guys are replying so fast I can't keep up. This is exactly my point. They support their culture, so am I considered being racist if I disagree then with letting her go to their house, since it is the culture ideology I disagree with?

It's just a constant circle of confusion for me.

[x_x]

It would be racist to not allow it because you don't like black people but if you don't like the actions of the person and that is the reason for not allowing it then it is not racist. In the end it doesn't really matter and people who care about such trivial things should have their opinions removed, they aren't trying to be productive to the future of humanity.

[Dehyped | 天使]

I think this is where I'm getting the hiccup. The race is fine, it's their views I don't agree with. And because of those views, her safety is put at risk.


This is where I conflict though. They support their culture's view on things, and therefore would not make my underage niece feel comfortable due to how they generally act around children.

You guys are replying so fast I can't keep up. This is exactly my point. They support their culture, so am I considered being racist if I disagree then with letting her go to their house, since it is the culture ideology I disagree with?

It's just a constant circle of confusion for me.

Her safety is put at risk? Can you elaborate at all? Don't complicate things when it comes to this regard, if my family member's safety was at risk I don't care who the f*ck you are -- the answer is NO.

[x_x]

Her safety is put at risk? Can you elaborate at all? Don't complicate things when it comes to this regard, if my family member's safety was at risk I don't care who the f*ck you are -- the answer is NO.

Fuck white people, black people, brown people. Catgirls #1 my asian babes > every one else.

[Phobix]

Her safety is put at risk? Can you elaborate at all? Don't complicate things when it comes to this regard, if my family member's safety was at risk I don't care who the f*ck you are -- the answer is NO.

Ignore the safety bit then. It's to provide more leeway for the conversation so that extremes on both ends of the arguments can be defined.


To answer your question, she's 7 and the person in the example stares at children to the point the child begins to notice and become naturally curious. Other things such as always trying to be in the same room as them, and being very talkative with the child while not conversating much else with the rest of the room.

You can see how all of these things would not only put her at physical safety at risk but also her mental state as I firmly believe that children are easily imprintable, and would not want to compromise her thoughts with bias and assumptions until they are at least old enough to have those thoughts naturally.


But I would prefer if you ignore the safety aspect to answer the original question; They support their culture, so am I considered being racist if I disagree then with letting her go to their house, since it is the culture ideology I disagree with?

[Dehyped | 天使]

Ignore the safety bit then. It's to provide more leeway for the conversation so that extremes on both ends of the arguments can be defined.


To answer your question, she's 7 and the person in the example stares at children to the point the child begins to notice and become naturally curious. Other things such as always trying to be in the same room as them, and being very talkative with the child while not conversating much else with the rest of the room.

You can see how all of these things would not only put her at physical safety at risk but also her mental state as I firmly believe that children are easily imprintable, and would not want to compromise her thoughts with bias and assumptions until they are at least old enough to have those thoughts naturally.


But I would prefer if you ignore the safety aspect to answer the original question; They support their culture, so am I considered being racist if I disagree then with letting her go to their house, since it is the culture ideology I disagree with?

Ignoring the safety bit, I've answered the original question already:

If you disagree with the idea even though it is widely propagated by the race or culture, that is not inherently racist.
If you are applying your distaste for the concept to a prejudice against the entire race or culture, then the answer is yes.

[Phobix]

Ignoring the safety bit, I've answered the original question already:

So if the individual in question decides to complain that I am being racist, they would entirely be in the wrong then, based on the circumstances described above?