[Cooldudex]

I feel like the B rating system is just a better way for scammers to get more money out of someone a lot easier.

It looks like the B rating system actually benefits scammers the same amount that it benefits legit users. You just do a bunch of shit tier deals over and over and build it up easily and then once you get a big fish due to your B rating it's time to exit scam. I feel like having no such thing as B rating would force you to be more cautious about who you are dealing with instead of making you less cautious due to a higher B rating(which essentially doesn't mean anything). Having that rating there just gives the illusion of being legit IMHO. I feel like no deal rating system would be better and safer but more of a hassle without it I guess

You can tell just from the deal disputes section there is ALWAYS people talking about "how high the B rating is and still scammed".

I wasn't here on HF before but I know that the system wasn't always there.

Thoughts? Am I the only one that thinks this? Am I retarded?

[Net]

Scamming always has and will happen. The B-Rating system is just to minimize the risk of getting scammed. At the end of the day, you can get scammed from literally anyone (from a really reputable member who decided to exit scam or from a user who joined last week).

[LoremIpsum]

Even though I despise the members with 1000+ deals done and still being online with 8+ open Disputes, it is a game changer.

No guarantee for a safe trade. As the "Important Rules" show. But it's a huge benefit for noobs and other members who want to make sure someone dealt with a HF Contract and not just a "thanks for deal" post.

[spiral]

Or just deal with middlemen only when dealing online, and then you’re not going to get scammed regardless of b-ratings.

[Zoomers]

Brating is great. It is why I am so active and conduct alot of my business on HF. Like mentioned above there is always people that are dishonest. Definitely a positive on HF

[Artisan]

Hack Forums asks members to deal at their own risk. It literally says so when people are about to start a contract. Therefore, members should check the other persons profile for deal disputes and join date and even if those numbers are satisfactory, a middleman should be used. Then again, mm like KJ exist so...

[x_x]

I feel like the B rating system is just a better way for scammers to get more money out of someone a lot easier.

It looks like the B rating system actually benefits scammers the same amount that it benefits legit users. You just do a bunch of shit tier deals over and over and build it up easily and then once you get a big fish due to your B rating it's time to exit scam. I feel like having no such thing as B rating would force you to be more cautious about who you are dealing with instead of making you less cautious due to a higher B rating(which essentially doesn't mean anything). Having that rating there just gives the illusion of being legit IMHO. I feel like no deal rating system would be better and safer but more of a hassle without it I guess

You can tell just from the deal disputes section there is ALWAYS people talking about "how high the B rating is and still scammed".

I wasn't here on HF before but I know that the system wasn't always there.

Thoughts? Am I the only one that thinks this? Am I retarded?

People who get scammed almost all of the time they don't even know what B-Rating is. Any time a "reputable" member has scammed it was because of their high popularity and a new person would say "But he has high rep so I thought I could trust him" whilst seller has double digit open disputes. I've seen people say they trusted scammers because they were upgraded, should upgrades and popularity be removed also?

[Laylo]

This thread makes literally no sense.

B-Ratings shows you ratings of each contract. Just because someone has a high number of ratings doesn't mean they are trustworthy. Neither does a vendor user bar.

Vendors with high ratings, popularity and vouches can exit scam - how do you propose HF prevents that?

[Cooldudex]

This thread makes literally no sense.

B-Ratings shows you ratings of each contract. Just because someone has a high number of ratings doesn't mean they are trustworthy. Neither does a vendor user bar.

Vendors with high ratings, popularity and vouches can exit scam - how do you propose HF prevents that?

If you don't think a higher B rating doesn't indicate you being "more trustworthy" to 90% of the newish users then you are lost. I never asked about which vendors can or can't exit scam. I was stating that B ratings gives the illusion that you won't be scammed to newer members. I don't know how to make it better that's why I didn't give an example of a different one and just asked about other peoples thoughts for discussion

Not sure what on this simple thread doesn't make sense but sorry you couldn't process it

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Hack Forums asks members to deal at their own risk. It literally says so when people are about to start a contract. Therefore, members should check the other persons profile for deal disputes and join date and even if those numbers are satisfactory, a middleman should be used. Then again, mm like KJ exist so...

Lol! Don't worry man... KJs legal team is on it! sarcasm

[Forensic]

Every system is open to manipulation. That's just life. The examples you gave is people seeming more trustworthy due to high B-Ratings making it easier for them to scam but you have to treat everybody with caution. Without such a rating people would be seen as more trustworthy due to rep or popularity or groups etc & all of these can be misleading just like a B-Rating.

[Angela White]

Or just deal with middlemen only when dealing online, and then you’re not going to get scammed regardless of b-ratings.

didn't killjoy middleman a deal for hooper and some other dude and run off with like $20,000?

[Cooldudex]

didn't killjoy middleman a deal for hooper and some other dude and run off with like $20,000?

Pretty sure he was holding over $80k lol. Yeah using a middleman on HF is just basically doubling you chances of getting scammed. Might as well just go off of B ratings

[Forensic]

didn't killjoy middleman a deal for hooper and some other dude and run off with like $20,000?

It was like 50k or something. MM's probably would reduce scams hugely but of course they can always end up scamming themselves

[Angela White]

It was like 50k or something. MM's probably would reduce scams hugely but of course they can always end up scamming themselves

Yeah that's why I usually don't use middlemen.

If you're dealing with a stranger and feel that they may scam you, introducing ANOTHER stranger that may scam you into the deal and entrusting them with the ENTIRE deal just adds a whole new risk to the deal.

[Laylo]

Not sure what on this simple thread doesn't make sense but sorry you couldn't process it

You honestly think B-Ratings increase scams on the forum? How dense are you?