Oct 29, 2022 10:57 AM
(This post was last modified: Nov 12, 2022 02:11 AM by Cuthbert.)
Once you tax and regulate something this just gives criminals more opportunities to undercut that tax, and sell at greater strengths than the regulated stuff. These states are now finding out the hard way.
"California has yet to see its black-market disappear, however. In fact, illegal growing and selling of pot have increased so rapidly in the past six years that earlier this month, Sacramento vastly expanded the state’s war on pot by taking a decades-old seasonal commission designed to curb illegal growing and turning it into a full-time, multi-agency task force with the job of snuffing out a booming black market. Nor is California alone in watching its black market explode after legalization. In Oregon, where recreational pot became legal in 2015, officials now estimate that thousands of illicit marijuana farms operate in the southern part of the state, where gun battles among rivals have become common. Despite legalization in 2016, more than two-thirds of pot transactions in Massachusetts take place in the black market, state officials estimate. Mexican cartels and other foreign gangs, meantime, have reportedly moved into the business in Colorado—another of the 19 states that has created a legal market for recreational pot."
https://www.city-journal.org/legalizatio...ket-in-pot
At least the state is making something off of it now.
Oct 29, 2022 02:06 PM
(This post was last modified: Oct 29, 2022 03:08 PM by Cuthbert.)
(Oct 29, 2022 01:56 PM)SIM-587985 Wrote: At least the state is making something off of it now.
It's making nothing but human misery. The tax revenue from marijuana is dwarfed by the social costs to public health and crime it creates. Even if it weren't, is having tonnes of mental illness, and crazy potheads shooting your schools and areas up morally worth the profit? America will become a third-world country if it carries on with pot legalisation.
(Oct 29, 2022 02:06 PM)Cuthbert Wrote: It's making nothing but human misery. The tax revenue from marijuana is dwarfed by the social costs to public health and crime it creates. Even if it weren't, is having Mexican cartels and crazy potheads shooting your schools up morally worth the profit? America will become a third-world country if it carries on with pot legalisation.
Ok there. sure there more than weed to these problems.
(Oct 29, 2022 03:47 PM)LeetSpeed Wrote: Ok there. sure there more than weed to these problems.
Everyone knows that, but the marijuana is overlooked. Most people still believe it's just a soft, entry-level drug for hippies. The popular belief legalisation will do considerable damage to the black market is demonstrably false. The solution to the problems created by marijuana is not legalisation.
(Oct 29, 2022 04:25 PM)Cuthbert Wrote: Everyone knows that, but the marijuana is overlooked. Most people still believe it's just a soft, entry-level drug for hippies. The popular belief legalisation will do considerable damage to the black market is demonstrably false. The solution to the problems created by marijuana is not legalisation.
Where I'm at the damage that has been done to the black market due to legalization is insane.
(Oct 29, 2022 04:33 PM)LeetSpeed Wrote: Where I'm at the damage that has been done to the black market due to legalization is insane.
Got a source to prove that? The damage to public health through smoking marijuana is more insane.
(Oct 29, 2022 04:34 PM)Cuthbert Wrote: Got a source to prove that? The damage to public health through smoking marijuana is more insane.
no links only word from local sources. Yes smoking anything will cause damage.
>Once you tax and regulate something this just gives criminals more opportunities to undercut that tax and sell at greater strengths
This just doesn't make sense, when legalizing you're taking away apart from the market away from a criminal climate by definition and thus give criminality less opportunity to profit of weed.
Oct 29, 2022 04:59 PM
(This post was last modified: Oct 29, 2022 05:04 PM by Cuthbert.)
(Oct 29, 2022 04:47 PM)LeetSpeed Wrote: no links only word from local sources.
You can't take that as proof. Look at the evidence in all the states above. Criminals love legalisation because it means they can undercut that competition. Druggies want the strong stuff not the legal stuff. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020...l-business
(Oct 29, 2022 04:47 PM)LeetSpeed Wrote: Yes smoking anything will cause damage.
Varying degrees of damage. Marijuana is strongly correlated with the worst kinds of mental illness. It's not only smoke inhalation harm you have to worry about, it's the psychotropic ingredients, however ingested.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/c...-1.4554489
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S2215-...3/fulltext
(Oct 29, 2022 04:58 PM)Archbe Wrote: >Once you tax and regulate something this just gives criminals more opportunities to undercut that tax and sell at greater strengths
This just doesn't make sense, when legalizing you're taking away apart from the market away from a criminal climate by definition and thus give criminality less opportunity to profit of weed.
No you aren't because they just sell cheaper than the legal stuff illegally, that's how crime works. The legalisation also increases demand, as you get more people smoking. In every way legalisation is disastrous. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020...l-business
(Oct 29, 2022 04:59 PM)Cuthbert Wrote: You can't take that as proof. Look at the evidence in all the states above. Criminals love legalisation because it means they can undercut that competition. Druggies want the strong stuff not the legal stuff. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020...l-business
Varying degrees of damage. Marijuana is strongly correlated with the worst kinds of mental illness. It's not only smoke inhalation harm you have to worry about, it's the psychotropic ingredients, however ingested.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/c...-1.4554489
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S2215-...3/fulltext
No you aren't because they just sell cheaper than the legal stuff illegally, that's how crime works. The legalisation also increases demand, as you get more people smoking. In every way legalisation is disastrous.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on all angles.
Oct 29, 2022 05:18 PM
(This post was last modified: Oct 29, 2022 05:19 PM by Cuthbert.)
(Oct 29, 2022 05:02 PM)LeetSpeed Wrote: I'm going to have to disagree with you on all angles.
How densely-packed with logic and reason. You're unimprovably convincing.
(Oct 29, 2022 05:18 PM)Cuthbert Wrote: How densely-packed with logic and reason. You're unimprovably convincing.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
Oct 29, 2022 05:34 PM
(This post was last modified: Oct 29, 2022 05:34 PM by Bluffer.)
This comes down to quality of illegal product compared to legal product. In Canada, while the black market is currently still alive 5 years after legalization, it's been nearly completely destroyed as the legal market has improved it's quality.
Nowadays? I'm just here for the nostalgia.
(Oct 29, 2022 05:34 PM)Bluffer Wrote: This comes down to quality of illegal product compared to legal product. In Canada, while the black market is currently still alive 5 years after legalization, it's been nearly completely destroyed as the legal market has improved it's quality.
Where's your source that the black market has been nearly completely destroyed in Canada? There's also no such thing as quality marijuana, it's all filth and extremely dangerous.
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