[Confound]

I strongly disagree with Kirk’s politics, but political violence is never acceptable. What we need to talk about is how Trump’s rhetoric has fundamentally changed the climate in America.

Again, no one ever deserves to die just because of their beliefs. That’s the bottom line. This violence has no place in our country.

I think a lot of people have strong mixed feelings about what happened because of some of the pretty intense, downright problematic beliefs this guy holds:

1. “I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.”

2. “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.”

Just to name two.

The one thing that I think people are somehow missing, which I SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND, is that Trump is the single biggest driver responsible for creating the level of anger and division that exists in this country right now.

Before trump, republicans and democrats could mostly debate and argue and disagree and then still break bread. We’ve seen this for close to 40 years in American politics leading up to Trump. There are some exceptions (gingrich era, tea party, etc) but center stage politics has evolved and it’s because Trump accelerated polarization to unprecedented levels.

His language and his way of being perpetuates fear, anger, division, and impulsiveness. He’s famously said “I could shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose votes”. In the earliest of days when he ran for office the first time, he used to attack his political opponents and would consistently turn his attacks from political ones to personal ones.

When something happens in the world or in the country, he has consistently pointed fingers and used aggressive language to blame the left, and has created the framework turning democrats into evil, untrustworthy, devilish people who deserve the worst in life.

Violence comes on both sides, yes, I know. And for everyone saying well what about the left who perpetuates the same thing, my response to that is you’re right, they do now, but they didn’t start this dynamic. It wasn’t until Trump that the atmosphere of blame, otherness, and division became rampant in the US. At first, the left and the mainstream media tried to denounce Trumps approach and made attempts at not meeting him where he stood, and instead attempted at taking the high road and just simply denounce his antics and call him crazy, but everyone soon realized that wasn’t working, so unfortunately the other side decided to stoop to his level and now we have nothing but a high school bitch fit in the country filled with anger and hypocrisy.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Tpawq6l_RxU?s...BDX-LneLYy

Here’s a perfect example of a Republican lawmaker unwilling to acknowledge that political violence comes from both ends of the spectrum.

Trump himself uses language to incite violence, plain and simple. I simply do not understand how people are missing this.

Trumps calls to violence or “fight” language: Even if not explicit commands to commit illegal acts, they lower the barrier to feeling it’s acceptable to respond violently. When a leader repeatedly says “fight,” “battle,” or similar, many interpret that as encouragement.

Using phrases like “invasion,” “poisoning,” labeling immigrants or opponents as criminals, threats, etc., makes it easier to justify harsh measures, fear, policies that otherwise would seem extreme.

His lying or falsehoods about elections undermines trust, fuels conspiracy beliefs, leads some to believe that democratic processes are illegitimate and must be overthrown by more direct or forceful means.

When threats or violent words are used, but then only mild or qualified “peaceful” language is added later, or action to call off violence is delayed, it diminishes the effect of the condemnation and leaves supporters more likely to interpret the earlier rhetoric as permission.

That’s why I can’t understand how anyone misses it: Trump’s words don’t just divide — they lower the barrier to violence. Until leaders on all sides acknowledge that, we’ll remain trapped in this cycle of anger and fear.

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Some further notes to anticipate disagreement or further thought:

Trump is a huge accelerant, but platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube amplified outrage and division. Many will argue you’re oversimplifying if you don’t nod to that.

Democrats call Republicans fascists, racists, or threats to democracy — which also escalates division.

Across Europe, Brazil, etc., populists have surged with similar rhetoric. Critics may argue Trump is a symptom of broader trends, not the cause.

Many conservatives argue mainstream media’s hostile coverage of Trump inflamed tensions as much as Trump’s own words.

[Jamika]

A very fair point… the policy of removing rivals, insulting former presidents, and treating opposite like a drunk seller in a shady bar really weakened the dignity of the United States and turned it into a joke in the world.

[zanzibar1]

What's missing is a discussion of the various anomalies in the alleged assassination videos that are coming out. Many people are noticing manipulation and some AI type of effects that may have been used to create the wound and expulsion of blood. There's something dodgy going on with the ring on the hand as well.

We've been lied so many times that we should be sceptical about everything we see on our screens. Deepfake technology has now reached a point where its going to be hard to tell real from fake. Governments probably have access to technology that's probably not available to the public.

I'm sorry but do you seriously believe it's some kind of AI or fakery?

lmao this world

[7]

.....released images of a "person of interest" as they searched for the shooter they described as "college age."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-auth...2025-09-11

🕶️ The “Black Contract Hero” Script

I’ve seen this pattern too many times to believe it’s random anymore. It’s always the same story:

• College-age recruit – young, fit, idealistic, maybe training for the military, and hungry to “be someone.”
  


• The pitch – they get told there’s a “special assignment,” off the books, patriotic, and just for them. Promises of immunity, medals, secret recognition. Enough to hook the ego.
  


• The mission – they carry it out believing they’re a hidden soldier, not a criminal. In their mind, they’re serving a higher cause.
  


• The disposal – and then, like clockwork, they’re killed on site. If by some chance they survive, the fallback narrative kicks in: “mental health issues, went rogue.”
  


• The aftermath – the media loops the “disturbed lone gunman” story, the family is left shocked, and the slate is wiped clean. No loose ends, no accountability.
  

It’s neat, it’s tidy, and it always protects the bigger picture.


The sad truth? These kids believe they’re heroes, but they’re just expendable. The script never changes.
The question is who was the employee

Examples

1) Thomas Matthew Crooks – Trump Rally (2024)

• Profile: 20, quiet/isolated
  


• Pitch/Belief: “Strike the villain, become significant”
  


• Mission: Rooftop rifle attack
  


• Disposal: Killed on site
  


• Aftermath: Labeled lone, motive unclear
  

2) Lee Harvey Oswald – JFK (1963)

• Profile: 24, ex-Marine, manipulable background
  


• Pitch/Belief: Revolutionary self-image
  


• Mission: Dallas shooting (alleged)
  


• Disposal: Killed by Jack Ruby before trial
  


• Aftermath: “Lone gunman,” case closed
  

3) Sirhan Sirhan – RFK (1968)

• Profile: 24, politically charged, suggestible
  


• Pitch/Belief: Anger over RFK’s Israel stance
  


• Mission: LA shooting
  


• Disposal: Captured; memory fragmentation claims
  


• Aftermath: Branded fanatic; lifelong doubts remain
  

4) Mark David Chapman – John Lennon (1980)

• Profile: 25, troubled, obsessive
  


• Pitch/Belief: Symbolic “mission” via Catcher in the Rye
  


• Mission: NYC shooting
  


• Disposal: Arrested immediately
  


• Aftermath: “Unstable lone fan” narrative
  

5) John Hinckley Jr. – Reagan Attempt (1981)

• Profile: 25, fixation on actress
  


• Pitch/Belief: Violence to “prove” himself
  


• Mission: Hotel attack on Reagan
  


• Disposal: Captured alive; insanity verdict
  


• Aftermath: Mental illness frame for decades
  

Pattern: Young, isolated, fed a narrative → carries out act → neutralized or framed as lone/unstable → tidy official story.

“Shakespeare said the world is a stage—once we played our scenes. Now we buy tickets and watch the tragedy sold back to us.”
7 2025

[Sillee]

I strongly disagree with Kirk’s politics, but political violence is never acceptable. What we need to talk about is how Trump’s rhetoric has fundamentally changed the climate in America.

Trump's rhetoric?
If you don't agree that what trump wanted to stop, HAD TO STOP. You're unamerican.

The comparing of Trump to Adolf Hitler is what fuels this assassination culture, the lefts championing of Luigi Mangoine or w.e is what fuels assassination culture.
Don't blame this on Trump

[Confound]

Trump's rhetoric?
If you don't agree that what trump wanted to stop, HAD TO STOP. You're unamerican.

The comparing of Trump to Adolf Hitler is what fuels this assassination culture, the lefts championing of Luigi Mangoine or w.e is what fuels assassination culture.
Don't blame this on Trump

Never said anything about Trump being compared to Adolf Hitler, and there was a reason for that, because I don't agree with the sentiment. But that said, I'll stand by my position.

The problem with making statements like you're unamerican is the assuming that people who disagree with you and your beliefs are any less American or patriotic than you are. I defer in beliefs from you, but can assure you I am just as patriotic, and believe in the free states of America.

You're making a grand claim that is very surface level and non-specific. Can you please elaborate? What did Trump want to stop, and had to stop?

You must have missed where I said that liberals also perpetuate violent rhetoric. And you must have not read or listened to much of what Trump has said in the last 4 years in particular. Much of what he says as being violent and aggressive is indisputable.

[plops]

I do agree with your thought on Trump rhetoric being a major catalyst. But that rhetoric was in the minds of 50% of Americans already. He just happened to have the money and voice to get on a stand and bring those people out of the shadows.

This is not some Trump supporting reply but to say his rhetoric fundamentally changed the climate is not entirely correct, I think. The climate was driven by large media, medium outlets and small self funded internet personalities. All three groups took what seemed extremely hateful speech out of context and blasted it to hundreds of thousands. When addressed, the post/videos/article/etc. is delted and nothing is said. Leaving the folks who do not research (90%) to be left with the idea that Trump said KKK were fine people or that the nobel prize winning human medication aka 'horse dewormer' was being used by idiots.

That media rhetoric is what changed America. It went into overdrive after they first started mocking Trump, but then realised he had snowballed much harder than expected. They did not expect this, no one did. Now they lost some control, people are not as tame as they used to be.

The Mossad running those media groups, the cia assets, the paid shills that are willing to lie to keep us all separated and fighting over things we cannot control, like sexuality and race. Fighting each other because we really think 'our guy' is going to fix inflation. 'Our guy' is the one that will fix the housing problem.

People are waking up I think. I am afraid of trannies arming them selves and causing disgusting situations like killing children and public speakers. I am afraid of the back lash that will happen from that too.
But what worries more is when enough people really wake up, how do we really fight the oligarchs. Their tech and their military.

Idk, I ranted too far. Point is media, mossad and the cia fucked us over. There's going to people trippin from both sides. I just need to make sure my family can survive.

[SIM-2502833]

Let's just continue importing millions and millions of illegals every year until there are no white nations left. I mean, after all, if saving white nations involves someone with rhetoric like drumpfs, it isn't worth it, right?

[Confound]

I do agree with your thought on Trump rhetoric being a major catalyst. But that rhetoric was in the minds of 50% of Americans already. He just happened to have the money and voice to get on a stand and bring those people out of the shadows.

This is not some Trump supporting reply but to say his rhetoric fundamentally changed the climate is not entirely correct, I think. The climate was driven by large media, medium outlets and small self funded internet personalities. All three groups took what seemed extremely hateful speech out of context and blasted it to hundreds of thousands. When addressed, the post/videos/article/etc. is delted and nothing is said. Leaving the folks who do not research (90%) to be left with the idea that Trump said KKK were fine people or that the nobel prize winning human medication aka 'horse dewormer' was being used by idiots.

That media rhetoric is what changed America. It went into overdrive after they first started mocking Trump, but then realised he had snowballed much harder than expected. They did not expect this, no one did. Now they lost some control, people are not as tame as they used to be.

The Mossad running those media groups, the cia assets, the paid shills that are willing to lie to keep us all separated and fighting over things we cannot control, like sexuality and race. Fighting each other because we really think 'our guy' is going to fix inflation. 'Our guy' is the one that will fix the housing problem.

People are waking up I think. I am afraid of trannies arming them selves and causing disgusting situations like killing children and public speakers. I am afraid of the back lash that will happen from that too.
But what worries more is when enough people really wake up, how do we really fight the oligarchs. Their tech and their military.

Idk, I ranted too far. Point is media, mossad and the cia fucked us over. There's going to people trippin from both sides. I just need to make sure my family can survive.

Is there any substantiative proof that Mossad or the CIA has ever done anything that is poisoning and manipulating society, or is this all just conspiracy?

I think the age of conspiracy theories is largely dangerous and unproductive. Same with how people are spinning this Charlie Kirk assassination as some ploy, and anything other than just a deranged individual acting alone.

I do agree with a lot of what you said actually, but I draw the line at conspiracy theory stuff.

The other thing I have a problem with is the "Tranny's are murders and killers" dialogue. Why are we lumping together an entire demographic of people as these mentally ill people who are here to kill us?

Look, I am straight. I can't truly understand transgender because I am not one, and sure it makes me a little uncomfortable, but I can live with my own personal discomfort and it doesn't lead me to be this bully who thinks nasty things about people and vocalizes these harsh opinions onto them. I keep to myself. I will never denounce a fairly large demographic of people worldwide who for what ever reason think they were born in the wrong body. Why can't we all just mind our business and if there are people who want to live different lives than us, can't that just be okay? I think all they want is to be accepted, and the world doesn't want to accept it because people think its gross. I genuinely think all of the hatred toward transgenders comes from people's own internal discomfort about it. People are so fragile that they're constantly thinking about themselves, their place in the world, struggling with lack of confidence and self worth. If everyone believed in themselves and held themselves in high regard, and respected themselves, they would have an easier time respecting other people, even if these other people had different views and opinions and ways of living their lives.

They've been villainized and hated for as long as they've existed. Of course I don't think it's justification for a few of them to cause heinous acts, but I do appreciate the fact that generally speaking, if your transgender, your life must literally suck. You're constantly mistreated, misunderstood, abused, etc.

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Let's just continue importing millions and millions of illegals every year until there are no white nations left. I mean, after all, if saving white nations involves someone with rhetoric like drumpfs, it isn't worth it, right?

Why must we save white nations? What is so important and high value and precious about white life? Just because our ancestors and the British were these snob nose high class people who somehow convinced themselves that they are superior? Or because German nationalistic rhetoric is that if you are white anglo-european, blonde hair blue eyed, that you are the superior race?

If you break down racial studies, there’s no credible, modern scientific evidence that any “race”—including “white”—is biologically superior in intellect, physical ability, or anything else. Biologists and anthropologists don’t find discrete human “races” in our DNA. Human genetic variation is mostly within populations, not between them, so slicing humanity into a few racial boxes is a poor fit for biology. Any hierarchy drawn from those boxes is unscientific. Leading scientific bodies explicitly reject claims of racial superiority and warn against misusing genetics to prop them up. “Race” is a social classification, not a biological one. It correlates poorly with genetic ancestry and is a bad proxy for health, behavior, or ability. (Ancestry is real; racial hierarchies are not.) On intelligence specifically: differences in group averages are heavily shaped by environment (education quality, nutrition, stress, discrimination, wealth, test exposure, etc.).

The reality is, if you look at the global population, the information is fairly clear cut --> The term “global majority” is often used to describe people who are of African, Asian, Indigenous, Latin American, or mixed-heritage backgrounds. Roughly 85% of the global population falls into that category. “White” (in the sense of people of European descent, or more broadly of European, Middle Eastern, or North African background in some definitions) is much smaller in proportion, though exact numbers vary depending on how “white” is defined and which countries include which groups. We're talking a majority of 85:15.

The other reality is fertility trends play a pretty important role here in the equation. In high-income countries, which tend to have majority-white populations, fertility rates are consistently below the replacement level of about 2.1 children per woman. Across much of Europe, North America, Australia, and East Asia, the average hovers between 1.2 and 1.8, leading to aging populations and, in some cases, population decline. By contrast, lower- and middle-income countries, which are largely home to non-white populations, generally experience higher fertility rates. Sub-Saharan Africa, for example, often sees averages between three and six children per woman, while regions such as Latin America, South Asia, and the Middle East are seeing declines but still remain above replacement levels in many areas. Taken together, the global pattern shows that fertility rates are steadily converging downward, as factors like education, urbanization, and women’s participation in the workforce continue to exert strong influence on family size across different societies.

Here's some interesting stats:
- United Nations (UN) projects that nearly all population growth this century will be in Africa and parts of Asia. Europe’s share of the world’s population is shrinking and will keep shrinking.
- By 2100, Africa alone could account for about 40% of the world’s population.
- White-majority regions (Europe, North America, Australia/New Zealand) will make up a smaller percentage of the global total over time.

- Islam is the fastest-growing major religion, mostly because Muslim-majority countries currently have higher fertility rates than the global average.

- By 2050, Muslims could nearly equal Christians worldwide (~30% each).

- By the end of the century, Muslims may outnumber Christians if current trends hold.

If you're so concerned, start having way more babies. Otherwise all of the white people who are so concerned about being the minority are fucked.
I genuinely believe the white folks who are so concerned with losing their whiteness is out of their own insecurity. God forbid you'll be a minority. Want to know why white folks are so bent out of shape about all of this white shit? Because they know being a minority fucking sucks. And they too don't want to be discriminated against.






And I'm white, btw.

[zanzibar1]

I'm 95% sure I've found the guy btw

[Confound]

I'm 95% sure I've found the guy btw

Go make 100k then. FBI tips have a 100k bounty on accurate information.

[Marvelous]

This take is retarded. The left has 1:100 guns the right has and there have been 10 times more shootings from trans(Biggest left people available). You cant even have a conversation with any liberal.. Its literally the party of insanity.

There are MANY cases where Liberals have called Trump Hitler and called for violence. Its laughable that this is even an argument. You need to widen your news past MSNBC and CNN. They literally said something like it is unconfirmed if it was an assassin and it could have just been one of the supporters shooting their gun off in celebration.

[plops]

Is there any substantiative proof that Mossad or the CIA has ever done anything that is poisoning and manipulating society, or is this all just conspiracy?

I think the age of conspiracy theories is largely dangerous and unproductive. Same with how people are spinning this Charlie Kirk assassination as some ploy, and anything other than just a deranged individual acting alone.

I do agree with a lot of what you said actually, but I draw the line at conspiracy theory stuff.

The other thing I have a problem with is the "Tranny's are murders and killers" dialogue. Why are we lumping together an entire demographic of people as these mentally ill people who are here to kill us?

Look, I am straight. I can't truly understand transgender because I am not one, and sure it makes me a little uncomfortable, but I can live with my own personal discomfort and it doesn't lead me to be this bully who thinks nasty things about people and vocalizes these harsh opinions onto them. I keep to myself. I will never denounce a fairly large demographic of people worldwide who for what ever reason think they were born in the wrong body. Why can't we all just mind our business and if there are people who want to live different lives than us, can't that just be okay? I think all they want is to be accepted, and the world doesn't want to accept it because people think its gross. I genuinely think all of the hatred toward transgenders comes from people's own internal discomfort about it. People are so fragile that they're constantly thinking about themselves, their place in the world, struggling with lack of confidence and self worth. If everyone believed in themselves and held themselves in high regard, and respected themselves, they would have an easier time respecting other people, even if these other people had different views and opinions and ways of living their lives.

They've been villainized and hated for as long as they've existed. Of course I don't think it's justification for a few of them to cause heinous acts, but I do appreciate the fact that generally speaking, if your transgender, your life must literally suck. You're constantly mistreated, misunderstood, abused, etc.

The Mossad bit is driven by conspiracy but not the CIA. It's been clear that they have had their hands in large media for a while from plants to declassified operations. But that's beside your topic here, I got my reply derailed.

Yeah, I could have chosen a different word than tranny. I do not think all, most or more than a small percentage of the group are hate filled murderers. If 1% of straight men were hate filled murderers, I would say 1% of trans people are the same. It's clear they have been backed into a corner. Restricted healthcare. The way people look at and treat them is hard to manage on a daily basis. It's a rough life and I could have acknowledged that a bit.
I do come at it with a bit disgust though and I can not help it. To be clear my disgust is specifically men transitioning to women. It has nothing to do with my own personal battles or lack of self confidence, weak sexuality etc.
I still do not want them to suffer or not be allowed to live their lives. I can't help but feel there is something else there. But there's chomos and criminals out there who were brought up in normal and safe family homes but still ended up the way they are.

I have yet to really break it down in my mind, but this feeling of progressive addiction or long term building of addiction is running rampant and we don't even realize it. We are wired to hook onto something, but there are no more face to face tribes. I choose food. Some choose internet. Addicts choose substance. Chomos choose kids. Murderers choose people. Trans choose societal expulsion.
Not all addictions are good. If we aren't addicted to something, what are we really doing?

[Confound]

This take is retarded. The left has 1:100 guns the right has and there have been 10 times more shootings from trans(Biggest left people available). You cant even have a conversation with any liberal.. Its literally the party of insanity.

There are MANY cases where Liberals have called Trump Hitler and called for violence. Its laughable that this is even an argument. You need to widen your news past MSNBC and CNN. They literally said something like it is unconfirmed if it was an assassin and it could have just been one of the supporters shooting their gun off in celebration.

Why is it that we're all of a sudden ignoring the vast majority of school shooters or mass shooters in the last 5 years were right wing?
Buffalo NY 2022, Allen TX 2023, Pittsburgh 2018, Charleston 2015. Both dems and republican extremists are problems. There are middle grounds on both ends who are willing to have discourse and actually talk out disagreements.

The amount of people who have guns doesn't really serve as an argument here to distinguish how one party may be worse or better than the other.

And you're saying you cant have a conversation with any liberal. That's plain false - I am left leaning and am more than willing and capable to have a thoughtful discussion, hear people out for their views, and offer alternative thoughts. Republicans claim that democrats are idiots and are insane and can't have a conversation with them, but there are also loads of republicans who embody the identical characteristics.

[zanzibar1]

Go make 100k then. FBI tips have a 100k bounty on accurate information.

I've just pretty much confirmed it! OMG! I've done 4 hours of researching and I found someone who knows the shooter via a Social Media platform, ADMITTING that a lover is indeed the suspect in the pictures, will be sending the appropriate information to the authorities as we speak.