[Nerdi]

I can't stand animes that seem old fashioned or poorly made. For example, Naruto is painful for me to watch. The graphics suck, it's slow moving, and I hate their voices. Avatar on the other hand is more modern. The graphics are nicer, it's fast paced and more Americanized. Legend of Korra is obviously similar. My newest favorite is Sword Art Online. However, these are literally the only 3 animes I actually enjoy.

Are there any other anime shows that are:
- "Americanized"
- Modern or futuristic
- good graphics
- good plot
- good dialogue / sound effects

Thanks!

edit: I also really enjoyed Deadman Wonderland because of its unique plot

[DoubleRainbow]

Avatar is not an anime sorry to say. If you want "up to date" art style look at anything from the new seasons. Try Redline, a movie, some of the best scenes. All hand drawn.

[VA Tragedy]

As the user above said, Redline is great.

Code Geass
Death Note
Durarara!!
Parasyte
Ghost in the Shell

The list goes on bud.. However i find retro 80/90's anime to be far more pleasing in terms of plot/dialogue

[Nerdi]

Avatar is not an anime sorry to say. If you want "up to date" art style look at anything from the new seasons. Try Redline, a movie, some of the best scenes. All hand drawn.

Oh, I've heard that one before. Yeah, I know it's not truly an anime. However, as an amateur anime watcher, I'm still in the phase of classifying every single show that is remotely similar to anime, as anime. Is there a moving character, while most of the scene (even other characters) stay still? IT'S ANIME! Is there a sword? ANIME! Do they zoom in on their face, or blur the background while the character runs? IT'S ANIME! Is there a girl in a school outfit who also is also giggling? ANIME!

^How I label shows as anime. I know it's so stereotypical & wrong, but I openly admit that I am not knowledgeable about anime enough to understand WHY Avatar is not an anime...But everyone always says it, so I believe it.

As the user above said, Redline is great.

Code Geass
Death Note
Durarara!!
Parasyte
Ghost in the Shell

The list goes on bud.. However i find retro 80/90's anime to be far more pleasing in terms of plot/dialogue

I'll check some of those out. Death Note is one that I have heard of.
Another one I watched & loved, which I forgot to include in OP, was Deadman Wonderland. That was a great show.

[DoubleRainbow]

Oh, I've heard that one before. Yeah, I know it's not truly an anime. However, as an amateur anime watcher, I'm still in the phase of classifying every single show that is remotely similar to anime, as anime. Is there a moving character, while most of the scene (even other characters) stay still? IT'S ANIME! Is there a sword? ANIME! Do they zoom in on their face, or blur the background while the character runs? IT'S ANIME! Is there a girl in a school outfit who also is also giggling? ANIME!

^How I label shows as anime. I know it's so stereotypical & wrong, but I openly admit that I am not knowledgeable about anime enough to understand WHY Avatar is not an anime...But everyone always says it, so I believe it.

Avatar pulls heavily from Anime, Japanese animation, but is an American made show. It pulls all the correct things from Anime, some of which you mention above. The art style is great, the story is awesome, etc. But it's still not anime.

Similar to RWBY, if you've seen it. Not anime but deserves to be up there with the great anime shows.

[Nerdi]

Avatar pulls heavily from Anime, Japanese animation, but is an American made show. It pulls all the correct things from Anime, some of which you mention above. The art style is great, the story is awesome, etc. But it's still not anime.

Similar to RWBY, if you've seen it. Not anime but deserves to be up there with the great anime shows.

Honestly, if it's very similar to anime & Japanese animation, and pulls all the best things from anime, why is it not anime? Because it's American made? Sorry, but I don't like that definition. If a show was made in Japan, and it's called anime, I would call it anime if the same exact show was made in America. Why does it matter where it comes from? The truth is, it doesn't. You could literally make the same exact show (same style, same dialogue, same everything) and live ANYWHERE. Being from Japan doesn't make it an anime... I know Avatar is not 100% Japanese style, but it still seems like an anime - an Americanized one. It seems much more like an anime than an American cartoon for sure.

That said, Avatar isn't exactly the same as traditional anime, and I still accept that Avatar is not an anime...but I would like clarification on your answer. Why is Avatar not an anime? What does it do differently that makes it something else? Not being from Japan, in my opinion, is irrelevant.

In all honesty, Avatar seems like an anime themed cartoon show, which is why I refer to it as an "Americanized anime". It's pretty much anime, but American, better, and more like a HQ cartoon than a traditional (and often lesser quality) anime.

[DoubleRainbow]

Honestly, if it's very similar to anime & Japanese animation, and pulls all the best thigns from anime, why is it not anime? Because it's American made? Sorry, but I don't like that definition. If a show was made in Japan, and it's called anime, I would call it anime if the same exact show was made in America.

That said, Avatar isn't exactly the same as traditional anime, and I still accept that Avatar is not an anime...but I would like clarification on your answer. Why is Avatar not an anime? What does it do differently that makes it something else? Not being from Japan, in my opinion, is irrelevant.

In all honesty, Avatar seems like an anime themed cartoon show, which is why I refer to it as an "Americanized anime". It's pretty much anime, but American, better, and more like a HQ cartoon than a traditional (and often lesser quality) anime. By the current definitions, that I've seen on HF and elsewhere, it seems that if it's lower quality (more still shots, less moving shots) and from Japan, it's anime, and if it's not from Japan and is HQ then it's not anime. I haven't really seen a good definition of what anime is yet.

There's not really anything to dispute, by definition Avatar is not "Anime". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime

It's not something that should be argued about. At best it should be refereed to as Anime inspired cartoon or Japanese inspired cartoon. Nothing wrong with it not being considered anime, as long as it's not in the same realm as some/most of the trash American cartoons.

[Nerdi]

There's not really anything to dispute, by definition Avatar is not "Anime". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime

It's not something that should be argued about. At best it should be refereed to as Anime inspired cartoon or Japanese inspired cartoon. Nothing wrong with it not being considered anime, as long as it's not in the same realm as some/most of the trash American cartoons.

I understand what you're saying, but that's not a good definition.
You're telling me that if you create a show in Japan, in anime-style, it's anime, but if you create the EXACT SAME SHOW in America, in anime-style, it's not anime. I get that people want to be uptight about where the show is from, but if a show looks like an anime from Japan (down to the style, animation, etc) then I'm calling it a fucking anime.

I don't mind where it's from. Anime, to me and many others (as I've found in my research / asking people), is a style of animation that can be created by anyone, anywhere.
The only reason I agree that Avatar is not really an anime is because it doesn't look like traditional anime. If it had an identical style to the #1 anime in Japan, I'd call it an anime, even though it's from America.

Under the definition that you (and others/Wikipedia) have provided, if Sword Art Online was created in America, it would not be an anime...even if it looked, felt, and was literally exactly the same. That definition doesn't make much sense in that context. If an American (who has Japanese parents) makes an anime identical to the style in Japan, is it not an anime because he produced it in America and is an American citizen? Is it only half anime because he's only half Japanese? Also, let's not forget that a lot of Japanese anime is actually produced by Korean animators. So, why is it still labeled as anime, even if the artists are TECHNICALLY producing Korean animation? It can't be because they're living in Japan because that wouldn't make sense either. The country is wrongly included in the definition of anime. If country had anything to do with what anime is then Americans could gain Japanese citizenship through marriage, make a knockoff of Spongebob and call it anime.

Lastly, the word anime in Japan is literally used to label animation from all over the world. It seems the only people that care about anime being from Japan are people that aren't from Japan.

edit: Sorry if this post sounds like I'm coming off as rude. I'm strong in my opinions (but still willing to change them). I hope you don't take this the wrong way... I developed a bad habit of debating instead of discussing a long time ago.

[DoubleRainbow]

I understand what you're saying, but that's not a good definition.
You're telling me that if you create a show in Japan, in anime-style, it's anime, but if you create the EXACT SAME SHOW in America, in anime-style, it's not anime. I get that people want to be uptight about where the show is from, but if a show looks like an anime from Japan (down to the style, animation, etc) then I'm calling it a fucking anime.

I don't mind where it's from. Anime, to me and many others (as I've found in my research / asking people), is a style of animation that can be created by anyone, anywhere.
The only reason I agree that Avatar is not really an anime is because it doesn't look like traditional anime. If it had an identical style to the #1 anime in Japan, I'd call it an anime, even though it's from America.

Under the definition that you (and others/Wikipedia) have provided, if Sword Art Online was created in America, it would not be an anime...even if it looked, felt, and was literally exactly the same. That definition doesn't make much sense in that context. If an American (who has Japanese parents) makes an anime identical to the style in Japan, is it not an anime because he produced it in America and is an American citizen? Is it only half anime because he's only half Japanese? Also, let's not forget that a lot of Japanese anime is actually produced by Korean animators. So, why is it still labeled as anime, even if the artists are TECHNICALLY producing Korean animation? It can't be because they're living in Japan because that wouldn't make sense either. The country is wrongly included in the definition of anime. If country had anything to do with what anime is then Americans could gain Japanese citizenship through marriage, make a knockoff of Spongebob and call it anime.

Lastly, the word anime in Japan is literally used to label animation from all over the world. It seems the only people that care about anime being from Japan are people that aren't from Japan.

Like I said, it's not something to be fought over. It's not that big of a deal. But if you ask any hard core fan they will most likely say the same thing.

[Fυcĸleѕѕ]

Have you tried Bleach? It was my immediate favorite after I tore through Sword Art Online. Watch a few episodes and see what you think.

[gоth]

DRRR has really good art, give that a try!

[Nerdi]

Like I said, it's not something to be fought over. It's not that big of a deal. But if you ask any hard core fan they will most likely say the same thing.

Fair enough, you're right. It's not worth being fought over, even if we disagree on it. Regardless, these anime and non-anime (or perhaps anime lol) shows are fun to watch. I see that we +repped each other at pretty much the same time. I went to rep you for a good chat, and when your rep page refreshed, I noticed someone had +repped me. I like how we both clearly were happy to have had this conversation, even if we disagreed. Too many HF members get in a small debate like this and then act petty & dickish because of it. Thanks for your insight into anime and non-anime.

[lolodatboi]

try Re-Zero it was basically the SAO of 2016

[Getsuga]

Lastly, the word anime in Japan is literally used to label animation from all over the world. It seems the only people that care about anime being from Japan are people that aren't from Japan.

What
>All over the world

[Kashira]

I'd suggest you to watch ERASED if you haven't already. Last anime I've watched since I mostly read manga/webtoons now. =)