[cristlol]

Any expert please explain why should rats encrypt packets when it makes the data bigger

If not encrypt packets will it make rat faster?  🤨

[Armada]

Any expert please explain why should rats encrypt packets when it makes the data bigger

If not encrypt packets will it make rat faster?  🤨

So the data can not be read?

Why encrypt ANYTHING unless you want it kept private?

[cristlol]

So the data can not be read?

Why encrypt ANYTHING unless you want it kept private?

Oh, Encrypt for avoiding antiviruses it is?

Thanks

[QU⚡CKSILVER]

Data encryption can also fool firewalls into thinking it's not botnet related traffic. If a Firewall can't inspect those packets due to data encryption, it can either decide to let such connection NOT to be established or simply let it talk to server. Firewalls usually block botnet connections by inspecting and learning from the methods they use to communicate (handshake process, negotiation, TCP window size, specific characteristics of data packets, etc...)

Yes, this can also help bypass antiviruses with built-in firewall solutions. Same concept explained above.

It's a pain in the ass for a firewall to make conclusions with encrypted traffic because it can either think you're trying to use a VPN tunnel to bypass it, or simply browsing SSL enabled sites, connecting to server that requires end to end encryption, etc... tl;dr The data needs to be deeply analyzed to decide whether to consider it suspicious or to simply allow it.

[Armada]

Data encryption can also fool firewalls into thinking it's not botnet related traffic. If a Firewall can't inspect those packets due to data encryption, it can either decide to let such connection NOT to be established or simply let it talk to server. Firewalls usually block botnet connections by inspecting and learning from the methods they use to communicate (handshake process, negotiation, TCP window size, specific characteristics of data packets, etc...)

Yes, this can also help bypass antiviruses with built-in firewall solutions. Same concept explained above.

It's a pain in the ass for a firewall to make conclusions with encrypted traffic because it can either think you're trying to use a VPN tunnel to bypass it, or simply browsing SSL enabled sites, connecting to server that requires end to end encryption, etc... tl;dr The data needs to be deeply analyzed to decide whether to consider it suspicious or to simply allow it.

.......  😑
Or you know to stop Packet interception and MITM attacks.
Has absolutely nothing to do with firewalls and anti viruses. lol

Packet encryption is pretty much to ensure only the designated target gets the information and is only readable by the intended host.  Firewalls, Antiviruses?  Nope.

Read up on IPSec

Internet Protocol security (IPsec) uses cryptographic security services to protect communications over Internet Protocol (IP) networks. IPsec supports network-level peer authentication, data-origin authentication, data integrity, data confidentiality (encryption), and replay protection.

[cristlol]

.......  😑
Or you know to stop Packet interception and MITM attacks.
Has absolutely nothing to do with firewalls and anti viruses. lol

Packet encryption is pretty much to ensure only the designated target gets the information and is only readable by the intended host.  Firewalls, Antiviruses?  Nope.

Read up on IPSec

Oh, now I get the point of encrypting packets.

Thanks

[Armada]

Oh, now I get the point of encrypting packets.

Thanks

Also, just to be clear, encryption of packets, does not increase the size of the packet, it just makes more of them.

When a packet is encrypted, if you refer to the diagram in the wiki article, you will see the packets are "Padded" at the start and end of each, thus reducing the size of the data in the packet, because the padding takes up bytes in the packet size, so the system breaks the data down in to more packets, instead of larger packet sizes.

IPSec is much more complicated than what I have explained here, but it should give a good general idea of how and why packet encryption is utilized.

[QU⚡CKSILVER]

.......  😑
Or you know to stop Packet interception and MITM attacks.
Has absolutely nothing to do with firewalls and anti viruses. lol

Packet encryption is pretty much to ensure only the designated target gets the information and is only readable by the intended host.  Firewalls, Antiviruses?  Nope.

Read up on IPSec

Well, I know what the whole purpose of data encryption is. Plus, I never said data encryption was directly related to antiviruses and firewalls. I wanted to say that packet encryption can help bypass firewalls and antiviruses and I have seen this myself being effective against hardware level firewalls such as Sonicwall and Fortinet and antivirus software such as Norton Security.

I mean, you know most physical firewalls have an intrusion prevention system/stateful packet inspection system that will basically inspect anything going in and outside the network to decide whether to allow certain things or not. They have a big ass database of signatures from popular C&Cs, VPN tunnels, and many applications that it is capable of blocking, right? Well, if the firewall learned about network behavior of a certain application because of its' traffic, if you manage to manipulate the way THAT application communicates by modifying packet data, or using different encryption methods you can possibly evade it.

[BrBi]

Well, I know what the whole purpose of data encryption is. Plus, I never said data encryption was directly related to antiviruses and firewalls. I wanted to say that packet encryption can help bypass firewalls and antiviruses and I have seen this myself being effective against hardware level firewalls such as Sonicwall and Fortinet and antivirus software such as Norton Security.

I mean, you know most physical firewalls have an intrusion prevention system/stateful packet inspection system that will basically inspect anything going in and outside the network to decide whether to allow certain things or not. They have a big ass database of signatures from popular C&Cs, VPN tunnels, and many applications that it is capable of blocking, right? Well, if the firewall learned about network behavior of a certain application because of its' traffic, if you manage to manipulate the way THAT application communicates by modifying packet data, or using different encryption methods you can possibly evade it.

exactly if they have packets strings/signature in their database the encryption is a good way to bypass them

[Armada]

I never said data encryption was directly related to antiviruses and firewalls.

Data encryption can also fool firewalls into thinking it's not botnet related traffic. If a Firewall can't inspect those packets due to data encryption, it can either decide to let such connection NOT to be established or simply let it talk to server. Firewalls usually block botnet connections by inspecting and learning from the methods they use to communicate (handshake process, negotiation, TCP window size, specific characteristics of data packets, etc...)

Yes, this can also help bypass antiviruses with built-in firewall solutions. Same concept explained above.

It's a pain in the ass for a firewall to make conclusions with encrypted traffic because it can either think you're trying to use a VPN tunnel to bypass it, or simply browsing SSL enabled sites, connecting to server that requires end to end encryption, etc... tl;dr The data needs to be deeply analyzed to decide whether to consider it suspicious or to simply allow it.

Anti viruses run off of Definitions and Heuristic Analysis.
Firewalls run off of RULE SETS.


MASSIVE Difference dude.....


FURTHER!

Neither have anything to do with Packet Encryption!. Holy shit I am actually getting worked up over how stupid this conversation is.

[QU⚡CKSILVER]

Lmao, Armada quit playing dumb please. I can't believe you want to argue with me, not gonna happen.

[Armada]

Lmao, Armada quit playing dumb please. I can't believe you want to argue with me, not gonna happen.

There is no argument, you are flat out wrong.

Otherwise simply prove me wrong. 😅
Post the technicals proving otherwise, I have already posted the core of ALL of it.

[QU⚡CKSILVER]

There is no argument, you are flat out wrong.

Otherwise simply prove me wrong.  😅
Post the technicals proving otherwise, I have already posted the core of ALL of it.

I ain't talking nonsense here, NOR am I going to waste my time posting shit I know you're not even going to bother to read. This is what it looks like when somebody wants to be right all the time.

It looks like you've got yourself some homework.

Research about antiviruses with firewall solutions and how do they detect suspicious outgoing traffic.
Research about how firewalls learn about new network threats and what the whole SPI feature does.
Research about how packet manipulation and/or data encryption can help BYPASS hardware firewalls/software level firewalls.
Research about what application signature databases are and how firewalls take advatange of these.

I mean, why would I even bother to prove my point, if you will always have a fucking comeback and just make this discussion endless? Nah, bro like I said, not going to happen. Maybe just show somebody with expertise in this field what I just posted and maybe you will under fucking stand. I think you didn't read my very first post right, you rushed it, hence the fact you're saying I'm wrong. SMFH.

[Armada]

I ain't talking nonsense here, NOR am I going to waste my time posting shit I know you're not even going to bother to read. This is what it looks like when somebody wants to be right all the time.

It looks like you've got yourself some homework.

Research about antiviruses with firewall solutions and how do they detect suspicious outgoing traffic.
Research about how firewalls learn about new network threats and what the whole SPI feature does.
Research about how packet manipulation and/or data encryption can help BYPASS hardware firewalls/software level firewalls.
Research about what application signature databases are and how firewalls take advatange of these.

I mean, why would I even bother to prove my point, if you will always have a fucking comeback and just make this discussion endless? Nah, bro like I said, not going to happen. Maybe just show somebody with expertise in this field what I just posted and maybe you will under fucking stand. I think you didn't read my very first post right, you rushed it, hence the fact you're saying I'm wrong. SMFH.

I do not see any technical's here, I see a bunch of more gibberish from someone who can not admit they do not know what in the flying fuck they are talking about.

Just admit it bro, I know WTF I am talking about and your spewing BS out yo mouth, your lips are fucking turning brown.

[QU⚡CKSILVER]

I do not see any technical's here, I see a bunch of more gibberish from someone who can not admit they do not know what in the flying fuck they are talking about.

Just admit it bro, I know WTF I am talking about and your spewing BS out yo mouth, your lips are fucking turning brown.

🤣 Go elsewhere, really. Disrespectful crackhead.