[MrRazor]

Contract Link: https://hackforums.net/contracts.php?act...cid=382622
Disputed Member: https://hackforums.net/member.php?action...id=4885155
Sales thread: https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=6224127

What he should sell to me a (Desktop Application (Windows) Crypter:


What he provided:
He provided me only a API based upload fake (crypter), that encrypt the file on his server. Is not a crypter it self just a upload program.
I requested a desktop application crypter with scanner feature etc... and he also promise me to learn how the FUD the stub etc... In the end he is not keeping his promise and also he sold the crypter already to someone that request me to change directly crypter.

Contract Terms:

The deal is neon_light going create the desktop crypter and maintaince / updates.
We split the income 50/50 for future updates / development / stub updates to lower dedection.
All of our development is for education purpuse including sharing and selling the software for education purpuse.
Like 20 old customer can use the crypter lifetime.
neon_light will also help me and learn how to fud the stub on my own rdp env also sharing source code with me.

Deal price is $500 in Litecoin Crypto.

Deadline from conv with him: I rather say two weeks and finish sooner than giving a sooner date and finishing later

He just added me also on his ignore list:


The crypt part to encrypt the file is just a upload and download to his server, encryptions are not inside of the program!

[Amnesiac]

Very unprofessional. He came in the convo instead of addressing the dispute

[MrRazor]

Very unprofessional. He came in the convo instead of addressing the dispute

What do you mean and who are you also neon_light?

[heisenberg72]

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Very unprofessional. He came in the convo instead of addressing the dispute

You are playing the role of the wise guy and giving advices while you can not pay my money back? This is shame.

[StuffSneak]

Looks like neon_light is online right now.



Contract clearly states:

The deal is neon_light going create the desktop crypter and maintaince / updates.

& if what OP says is right & neon_light you simply just provided him a api site which should take couple of days (if not sooner), if you already have API then what you are selling is completely different than what you have advertised & mentioned on contract.

[MrRazor]

Looks like neon_light is online right now.



Contract clearly states:

& if what OP says is right & neon_light you simply just provided him a api site which should take couple of days (if not sooner), if you already have API then what you are selling is completely different than what you have advertised & mentioned on contract.

He is not responding and placed me on his ignore list, and he just updated the contract feedback:

[Ph4n70M Phr34K]

neon_light is a known scammer. Im surprised he even accepted your contract. Perhaps he didn't think you would actually check what you got.

neon_light was already banned for 6 months for scamming people offsite, i thought he ditched this account already.

Spoiler (Click to View)


Two years ago he took 50$ from me and blocked instantly. No fucks given, no words given, he just took the scraps and instantly blocked everywhere :D

https://hackforums.net/contracts.php?act...cid=323733
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Seems like he dont give a flying fuck about his account, just trying to scam as much as possible.

[MrRazor]

neon_light is a known scammer. Im surprised he even accepted your contract. Perhaps he didn't think you would actually check what you got.

neon_light was already banned for 6 months for scamming people offsite, i thought he ditched this account already.

Spoiler (Click to View)


Two years ago he took 50$ from me and blocked instantly. No fucks given, no words given, he just took the scraps and instantly blocked everywhere :D

https://hackforums.net/contracts.php?act...cid=323733
Spoiler (Click to View)


Seems like he dont give a flying fuck about his account, just trying to scam as much as possible.

Hi Ph4n70M Phr34K,

That is why I PM'd you because I needed some advice. Also to verify the crypter is legit. In the end you put me on ignore list to 😆
You made so awesome big thread about cryters etc.. really loved it!

He is not only taking now my money, he sold this stuff multiple times... not custom at all.

Thank for your reply,
Mr Razor

[Ph4n70M Phr34K]

That is why I PM'd you because I needed some advice. Also to verify the crypter is legit. In the end you put me on ignore list to 😆
You made so awesome big thread about cryters etc.. really loved it!

You have sent me a PM indicating that "I bought a own crypter from tid=6261188" + some broken sentences that i couldn't understand.
tid=6261188 is my own thread.
Then i looked at your website(razorhosting) that looks like a placeholder, not a hosting.
So i assumed you are just a troll.

I know it could be just your mistake, but still its only your responsibility.
Next time do your diligence, do your own research. It would take you 5 minutes to find out you are being deceived.

[MrRazor]

You have sent me a PM indicating that "I bought a own crypter from tid=6261188" + some broken sentences that i couldn't understand.
tid=6261188 is my own thread.
Then i looked at your website(razorhosting) that looks like a placeholder, not a hosting.
So i assumed you are just a troll.

I know it could be just your mistake, but still its only your responsibility.
Next time do your diligence, do your own research. It would take you 5 minutes to find out you are being deceived.

I understand you 😎 thank for the explanation.
Can you maybe undo me from your ignore list ✌

[Ph4n70M Phr34K]

I understand you 😎 thank for the explanation.
Can you maybe undo me from your ignore list ✌

I could. But there is no point. Your current account won't last open for longer than a month or two. As always.

[MrRazor]

I could. But there is no point. Your current account won't last open for longer than a month or two. As always.

Why do you think so ?

[neon_light]

A)
First of all, he confirmed with me via chat that the crypter works exactly as desired.

Here is my evidence: HIS OWN SALES THREAD trying to sell the crypter I created for him. I could end my response here.



B) I knew he was an idiot when he invited me into a group chat with one of his buddies and demanded that I talk to him.
So I talked to his buddy and showed him a DEMO OF THE CRYPTER and explained everything to that guy and even left some explanations in the group chat.

Then a few hours later he wanted me to show him a demo and explain everything to him in his own chat.
What the fuck was the point of this group chat then?
I left that group chat at that point and just sent him the crypter files to examine.



C) At that point this guy demanded me to change the licensing system from using the aegis licensing system (duh, why wouldn't I use my licensing system?) to create a custom licensing system for him on his own server.
I told him that the bought a crypter, not a licensing system, yet he kept demanding I create a custom solution, which I ended up doing to avoid a deal dispute.

The crypt part to encrypt the file is just a upload and download to his server, encryptions are not inside of the program!

Of course its an API based crypter which does server-side crypting instead of client-side crypting, because its a million times better.


A client-side crypter (aka crypting on the customer PC) can be very easily cracked by removing the one line licensing check and hard coding the stub returned from the server.

Now you have a cracked crypter which can be used for free forever.


In contrast, if the crypting is done server side then its impossible to hardcode any response from the server and the crypter is literally uncrackable.


But you genius would rather open a deal dispute against me and earn 0$ in sales instead of thanking me for creating such a perfect crypter. Genius.

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neon_light is a known scammer. Im surprised he even accepted your contract. Perhaps he didn't think you would actually check what you got.

Two years ago he took 50$ from me and blocked instantly. No fucks given, no words given, he just took the scraps and instantly blocked everywhere :D

I dont even know who the fuck you are man. We dont have any contracts, so I never dealt with you.

if you got scammed by some rando pretending to be me then I that's not my fault.

I will also ask staff to remove your claims as its libel.

[MrRazor]

A)
First of all, he confirmed with me via chat that the crypter works exactly as desired.

Here is my evidence: HIS OWN SALES THREAD trying to sell the crypter I created for him. I could end my response here.

B) I knew he was an idiot when he invited me into a group chat with one of his buddies and demanded that I talk to him.
So I talked to his buddy and showed him a DEMO OF THE CRYPTER and explained everything to that guy and even left some explanations in the group chat.

Then a few hours later he wanted me to show him a demo and explain everything to him in his own chat.
What the fuck was the point of this group chat then?
I left that group chat at that point and just sent him the crypter files to examine.



C) At that point this guy demanded me to change the licensing system from using the aegis licensing system (duh, why wouldn't I use my licensing system?) to create a custom licensing system for him on his own server.
I told him that the bought a crypter, not a licensing system, yet he kept demanding I create a custom solution, which I ended up doing to avoid a deal dispute.






Of course its an API based crypter which does server-side crypting instead of client-side crypting, because its a million times better.


A client-side crypter (aka crypting on the customer PC) can be very easily cracked by removing the one line licensing check and hard coding the stub returned from the server.

Now you have a cracked crypter which can be used for free forever.


In contrast, if the crypting is done server side then its impossible to hardcode any response from the server and the crypter is literally uncrackable.


But you genius would rather open a deal dispute against me and earn 0$ in sales instead of thanking me for creating such a perfect crypter. Genius.

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I dont even know who the fuck you are man. We dont have any contracts, so I never dealt with you.

if you got scammed by some rando pretending to be me then I that's not my fault.

I will also ask staff to remove your claims as its libel.

A):
you never provided my a crypter with Stub etc... we agree on it is in the terms of our contract.
You will help me to fud my own STUB etc... on my RDP. Now it is a API crypter we never agree on!

B):
You pushed me to open a thread and you will fud it after it.
You never came back on how i fud my it myself.
On your request:


C):
Your sales thread never told it is a API based crypter. I didn't choose for a web crypter. Just a normal desktop crypter with stub etc...

And you are saying In contrast, if the crypting is done server side then its impossible to hardcode any response from the server and the crypter is literally uncrackable.

Crypting is done on a SERVER OF YOURS. You already sold your project. So it will be on other person his server.
And second you can't call this application anymore a crypter, because is no crypting be done in the application it self.

Also with your other buddy, you sold the same thing conflict, and didn't appraise it.
And deleting message, is very bad for this dispute.



His other cus:







With Do automatic cloud updates, AIR. you promises me it can update stub for each user. Only again you didn't keep you promise.
How can you explain this AIR update stuff... If the crypter don't receive any air update only is processed on your server.

So you going send me full code of your server to me, that would be the part it become a real crypter, not shitty api based crypter that take you to build more 2-3 weeks! simple code to post it to your server and returning it.

[Ph4n70M Phr34K]

I dont even know who the fuck you are man. We dont have any contracts, so I never dealt with you.
if you got scammed by some rando pretending to be me then I that's not my fault.
I will also ask staff to remove your claims as its libel.

You are such a pathological liar. The proofs are onsite.

- onsite HF contract, you just waited it to expire - (screenshot shown)
- onsite chat(convo) when i asked you what is going on, you added me to ignore list - (screenshot shown)
- shortly after you were banned for scamming people offsite - (screenshot shown)

You cant deny that you dumb-ass.