[Mark Ronson]

Anyone else feels almost everything online is saturated, while offline things and businesses are becoming more valued / easier to make money with?

Like, unless one has an established position of some sort online, I'm fairly sure on average a plumber in my area makes much more than any online job or business an average Joe can fuck with. Most people making money online now are just shovel suppliers

It sorta feels like buying crypto at the top. However, I also recognize that most offline jobs have poor pay because most affluent countries import immigrants to do those for a poorer pay. Specializing in something, like a trade, may help with this

[Stoner]

It's been that way for a long time now. You're not gonna get rich online unless you get lucky with crypto or get into some serious blackhat stuff. Ask the kids who've bought dozens of money methods back in the day. Or the new school kids who buy Andrew Tate's shitty course. There is no get rich quick scheme unfortunately, even if you make good money online it's gonna take effort and dedication.

[Omniscient]

Online income is appealing to many but only a few percent achieve it. Yet everyone sees these few percent and believe they are just as "talented" or whatever. Making money online requires you to be self-employed thus self-motivated, driven, and ambitious. You have to be dedicated, skilled, and certainly lucky a bit too.

I've met so many people who think of themselves as "influencers" who barely make $1k a month. An income you could triple working at Fast Food.

[Game]

Yeah, honestly it’s quite true. Tradesmen make a fair penny.

As Omni said, you have to be talented in some aspect, whether is be charisma, or an actual talent/skill.

There are those who know ways of exploiting their way to earn money online too.

I’ve made money by playing games (around $800) in 4 weeks through sponsorships which has carried me while being unemployed.

[Doug Dimmadome]

I'm not sure I understand, maybe you need to define "make money online". I'm a WFH Software Developer, never see an office, work wherever I want, and get to set my own hours within reason as long as work is getting done. At my last job we hired WFH data-entry people at $45k-$75k/year which I think is pretty decent and I'd also count that as "making money online".

If you're talking about starting your own business that's a little different, but I'd also say maybe you're going about it wrong if you think everything is saturated. I've started a business in the past and know lots of other people (including the greater portion of my family) who have started businesses and the most successful ones all have one thing in common:

They didn't come up with an idea to start a business, they started a business because they had an idea.

I think this holds true because those are the people who are passionate about the solution, they're not just looking at it as a way to make money. They enjoy what they do and the craft and it shows through in the business. There are obviously people who just want to start a business, come up with an idea for a business, and are successful, but I know far fewer of those.

Find something you're passionate about. Explore it on a deeper level. Get to know the pain points. Solve those pain points. Monetize the solution.

[ughhmmmm]

It's been that way for a long time now. You're not gonna get rich online unless you get lucky with crypto or get into some serious blackhat stuff. Ask the kids who've bought dozens of money methods back in the day. Or the new school kids who buy Andrew Tate's shitty course. There is no get rich quick scheme unfortunately, even if you make good money online it's gonna take effort and dedication.

I hate seeing the get-rich-quick stuff.

Online income is appealing to many but only a few percent achieve it. Yet everyone sees these few percent and believe they are just as "talented" or whatever. Making money online requires you to be self-employed thus self-motivated, driven, and ambitious. You have to be dedicated, skilled, and certainly lucky a bit too.

It's mostly luck, legit or not legit. There's many famous people that barely survive and put immense effort into work, networking, and education.

I've met so many people who think of themselves as "influencers" who barely make $1k a month. An income you could triple working at Fast Food.

This is when the influence of a quick buck becomes immense. When the other "influencers" start flaunting purported wealth and you feel inferior.

I'm not sure I understand, maybe you need to define "make money online". I'm a WFH Software Developer, never see an office, work wherever I want, and get to set my own hours within reason as long as work is getting done. At my last job we hired WFH data-entry people at $45k-$75k/year which I think is pretty decent and I'd also count that as "making money online".

Most people outside the industry tell me I'll be making millions by the time I'm 30/40. Those in the industry tell me it's very hard now.

[Bluffer]

IMHO online money can be great as a side income but is not going to be enough to live off. It can be extremely time consuming. Back when I lived with the parents it was great to sell shit on hf and have an income and not have to work at micky ds but it was never a livable income.

If you're smart you take time to learn skills in making money online and turn that into real world income.
I've built myself a career and use a lot of skills self taught from selling shit on hf. Crazy.

[Pimping]

In a way yes i do feel it
it was easier up until 2021 now everything is saturated. it is still possible to make a bit of money online but not like before unless you find something good or have lots of money to invest

[Jinu]

That’s an interesting perspective, and it makes sense. With so much competition online and the barrier to entry becoming lower, traditional trades or offline skills are becoming more appealing for stability and income. Many online markets are crowded, and while it’s easier than ever to start something online, breaking through can be tough without an established presence. Offline work, especially skilled trades, often has consistent demand, and the value placed on those skills can stay high. Do you think more people are likely to turn back to these kinds of jobs?

[Mark Ronson]

That’s an interesting perspective, and it makes sense. With so much competition online and the barrier to entry becoming lower, traditional trades or offline skills are becoming more appealing for stability and income. Many online markets are crowded, and while it’s easier than ever to start something online, breaking through can be tough without an established presence. Offline work, especially skilled trades, often has consistent demand, and the value placed on those skills can stay high. Do you think more people are likely to turn back to these kinds of jobs?

Yeah, that's what I mean, you worded it better. However, I don't think traditional trades or offline skills are becoming more appealing (unless you mean economically), but rather the opposite currently, which is the reason the money you can make with those became higher. I don't know how the population will react to them becoming more appealing economically, the current young people at least in my area have other aspirations, such as becoming influencers or not do that kind of jobs anyway. I don't know how much of my argument here is regional or global, but I feel at least part of it is global, at least in the "developed" countries...

So in conclusion I don't know how the population will react, but myself, I made money online in the past years in a few ways and nowadays I don't feel like it's the +EV (expected value) deal anymore

[InspectorGadget]

I disagree with your statement at the start - Offline earning has ALWAYS been the mainstream way to earn money.

Tradesmen or salaried workers have already been there and always will be.

I laugh at some people on their forum that work for themselves working 80 hours a week to earn $1000 a month when any tradesman and office worker will be guaranteed to earn more for less hours.

Online earnings should be an addition to offline earnings IMO. I'd have to earn significantly more online for me to quit my offline job.

[Sholi]

It's a tough market, especially with how accessible and easy everything has become.

You can literally become a software developer by just knowing how to use tools like ChatGPT.

You can literally become a designer just by knowing how to use tools like Midjourney. And so on, and so forth.

The barrier to entry is definitely lower than it has ever been. I guess it's about how bad you want something, and how much you enjoy doing it.

[Mark Ronson]

I disagree with your statement at the start - Offline earning has ALWAYS been the mainstream way to earn money.

Tradesmen or salaried workers have already been there and always will be.

I wasn't referring to the general population, more like the type people around these forums and all that, you know what I mean?

[Omniscient]

I agree that making money offline does seem very appealing. I often think how I'd love to work with my hands and do something creative like woodworking or building some art.

[Mastercarder]

I disagree honestly. The internet isn’t saturated, low-effort people are.

A plumber can make great money, sure, but he’s still limited by location, hours and physical work. A strong online business can scale globally 24/7.

Most people failing online are just selling recycled garbage with no real skill behind it. That’s not saturation, that’s competition getting harder.

If online was “dead”, companies wouldn’t be dumping billions into AI, cloud, SaaS and digital infrastructure right now.