[Hackers]

This is a video of the helicopter crashing into the plane:
https://streamable.com/olzt2p

Video from another angle:
https://streamable.com/kgst9d

There is speculation online that the heli pilot may have been watching the craft taking off, rather than the one landing (AA).

From what we know:
- ATC followed all protocols and laws
- ATC contacted helicopter pilot
- Pilot confirmed to ATC they have visual separation
- This then triggers normal protocol
- ATC apparently made 3 calls to the pilot before the crash

All evidence points to:
- ATC did what they should
- Pilot fucked up royally

Unfortunately we have one guy going after ATC instead of the pilot, even though no official investigation has been completed.

He's asking the "big questions" !



Unfortunately this says more about his inability to process information than it says about any sort of ATC failure.


The reason Trump's comment is misinformed & disorganized & impulsive in nature is simple:
- Pilots are trained to fly
- ATC employees are not pilots
- ATC employees cannot tell a pilot exact second-to-second steps to fly
- Unless you mean all ATC employees should be pilots
- But then we are in a loop: we can't trust pilots, so we hire... more pilots?

Of course, pilot-trained ATC would be a huge benefit. Is it realistic or going to happen? No.
ATC employees are already incredibly well trained & responsive.

Visual separation protocol is defined, and was respected in this case.
Unfortunately this is a case of a highly maneuverable helicopter fucking up 100%, at the worst time. Not a case of ATC failure.


From what people have said about the ATC radio transmissions, they did nothing wrong and this is 100% on the helicopter pilot.

Shortly before the crash, additional audio reveals the helicopter pilot responding, “PAT 2-5 has aircraft in sight, request visual separation.” Less than 13 seconds later, audible gasps, including a loud "oooh", are heard in the background from the control tower at the moment of impact.

https://x.com/ScottHiser/status/18848347...ls-1747869

[accrued]

Respective and sad. This is an ongoing story with live coverage as they perform rescue.

[vyactor]

That's scary to see. I heard everyone from the plane are announced dead? Are they?

[Hackers]

Respective and sad. This is an ongoing story with live coverage as they perform rescue.

Definitely... Hope the family can find some closure and I pray this isn't politicized further.

That's scary to see. I heard everyone from the plane are announced dead? Are they?

I'm not sure yet. Last I checked they were not saying it was all souls lost.
However, I know they will not announce that until they can contact next of kin or at least try to for some time.
They won't say everyone's dead without making those phone calls / visits first (usually at least).

[Pr0m3th3us]

Shit happens. I have a big army base where I live, Blackhawks, chinooks and apaches flying all day every day, international airport also. This is bound to happen eventually.

Pro tip: drive, don’t fly.

[Hackers]

Shit happens. I have a big army base where I live, Blackhawks, chinooks and apaches flying all day every day, international airport also. This is bound to happen eventually.

Pro tip: drive, don’t fly.

Yeah shit does happen, that’s true

I’m sure there could be improvements to lower the risks of this happening again

But all in all, flying is safer than driving I think right?

[DramaKing]

Last radar contact showed the helo at an altitude of 350 feet when the max altitude was 200 feet. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say that it climbed and turned to intercept the plane.

[Pr0m3th3us]

Yeah shit does happen, that’s true

I’m sure there could be improvements to lower the risks of this happening again

But all in all, flying is safer than driving I think right?

Depends on your way of thinking I guess…I personally would rather be in control of my life than someone else. Plus TSA is a hassle, flying is expensive. Iv done it once and don’t want to do it again. Takeoff and landing was fun though.

[Hackers]

Depends on your way of thinking I guess…I personally would rather be in control of my life than someone else. Plus TSA is a hassle, flying is expensive. Iv done it once and don’t want to do it again. Takeoff and landing was fun though.

Ahhh, I understand. Yeah, it's not for everyone.
I'm coming from a different perspective... Been on hundreds of slights, been to two dozen countries, and two dozen states. So it's just part of my life to fly a couple times per year or more.

[Epic]

Shit happens. I have a big army base where I live, Blackhawks, chinooks and apaches flying all day every day, international airport also. This is bound to happen eventually.

Pro tip: drive, don’t fly.

Statistically, flying is much, much, much safer than driving.

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Depends on your way of thinking I guess…I personally would rather be in control of my life than someone else. Plus TSA is a hassle, flying is expensive. Iv done it once and don’t want to do it again. Takeoff and landing was fun though.

When you drive you are putting your life in the hands of other drivers around you, as well as yourself.

Editing this to say this applies to commercial flights, not GA flying.

[Hackers]

Statistically, flying is much, much, much safer than driving.

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When you drive you are putting your life in the hands of other drivers around you, as well as yourself.

I always say when someone says "I'm a good driver" that "I am not worried about you, I'm worried about everyone else"

There are bad drivers, drunk drivers, high drivers, and sometimes some good drivers on our streets.

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Video 2 / from a diff angle:

Temp URL expires in 48 hours: https://streamable.com/kgst9d

[Pr0m3th3us]

Ahhh, I understand. Yeah, it's not for everyone.
I'm coming from a different perspective... Been on hundreds of slights, been to two dozen countries, and two dozen states. So it's just part of my life to fly a couple times per year or more.

Iv been to over half the states and only flew once. Driving is the way to go for sure. Much more to see and eat 😂

[Hackers]

Iv been to over half the states and only flew once. Driving is the way to go for sure. Much more to see and eat 😂

That’s how my girl is with her fam as a kid

They went all over national parks, highways, Great Lakes, etc