[possessed-client]

Hey hackers, I recently bought some installs from Lab Installs (500 twice with a couple months gap), who advertise here, but both times most bots would live only very briefly, and since my payload was tested to be UD against WD on VM online and since the few dozen of 500 bots that did live long also had machines with WD on, I have to assume the small lifetimes of only about 5min were due to many botkillers using Lab Installs, not AV detection.
So the question is - what services in your experience have a good chance for less strong botkillers, or even private loads, and what price range can I expect these better services to be in? Since the 35USD for 500 installs price by Lab Installs were clearly not usable for longer persistence without myself needing to experiment with either extreme persistence measures or extreme botkilling measures of my own.

[DramaKing]

I don't know what a botkiller is, but what you saw is stock and trade for botshops. It's hard to prove that they recycle bots by killing payloads, but I've seen over and over where bots disappear completely after only a few days. $35/500 installs cannot be profitable.

[possessed-client]

I don't know what a botkiller is, but what you saw is stock and trade for botshops. It's hard to prove that they recycle bots by killing payloads, but I've seen over and over where bots disappear completely after only a few days. $35/500 installs cannot be profitable.

Botkillers are malware modules designed to eliminate competing infections to ensure exclusive control over host resources. And yes, it makes sense that either recycling would happen by the purveyors, or botkilling by other clients purchasing installs. Hence my question - are there any reputable services that don't do this, or at least what heuristics can I use to increase a chance to find a better service, like an approximate price range etc. ?

[DramaKing]

Botkillers are malware modules designed to eliminate competing infections to ensure exclusive control over host resources. And yes, it makes sense that either recycling would happen by the purveyors, or botkilling by other clients purchasing installs. Hence my question - are there any reputable services that don't do this, or at least what heuristics can I use to increase a chance to find a better service, like an approximate price range etc. ?

If I hear of anything with good results, I'll try to remember to let you know.

[possessed-client]

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i would suggest you to be carefull, i know his source. the last person who sold from that source got arrested, now its going to be him(labinstall) soon and then they will go after his customers aswell. this is the same reason why i closed my botshop and many other businesses aswell. be carefull. operation endgame will drop a bomb next month in march, be very carefull


NEVER EVER WORK WITH SANCTIONED PEOPLE OR ALIASES

Thanks for the warning, duly noted.

I also have bought from InstallBest (installs.info), which I found on antichat (down now, sadly) a year-ish back, it was somewhat better, but execution was much slower, and they went down some months back, now it's up again, but under a different name, so I don't know whether it's the same people. Antichat also had various other providers advertising, so there's options, but still hard to understand what the results would be without buying and testing...

[loadman]

Thanks for the warning, duly noted.

I also have bought from InstallBest (installs.info), which I found on antichat (down now, sadly) a year-ish back, it was somewhat better, but execution was much slower, and they went down some months back, now it's up again, but under a different name, so I don't know whether it's the same people. Antichat also had various other providers advertising, so there's options, but still hard to understand what the results would be without buying and testing...

i am not saying that these guys are working for the interpol or fbi, but they are sanctioned or wanted due to their installs source loader and if they cant get them they will go after their customers