[Sai]

Yeah he seems like a dick. Gave him -ve reputation. I've never been part of the GM however I do not wish to see it die.

Maybe he will take the hint one day.

Are you serious?
You just PMed me to give you ownership if you paid me and I said no.

[Flashy.]

Are you serious?
You just PMed me to give you ownership if you paid me and I said no.

I can vouch for this, Sai showed me and c4v pictures.

[Venusaur]

That seems very dishonest of Sai. I'm not going to sound one sided, but it's hard not to. Sai did not keep his side of the deal. After seeing this he and the other leaders should make an honest effort to reform.

Don't drag me into shit by replying to this post. I remain neutral.

[Sai]

That seems very dishonest of Sai. I'm not going to sound one sided, but it's hard not to. Sai did not keep his side of the deal. After seeing this he and the other leaders should make an honest effort to reform.

Don't drag me into shit by replying to this post. I remain neutral.

He made it looks like I broke promises and what not but you have to understand that this "agreement" he made was not the actual agreement I agreed to. You see this is why things should be settled within the group because people don't know the full story. Pretty low on Rhythms part.

[Rhythm]

He made it looks like I broke promises and what not but you have to understand that this "agreement" he made was not the actual agreement I agreed to. You see this is why things should be settled within the group because people don't know the full story. Pretty low on Rhythms part.

What about this "Agreement" did you not agree to?

Here's the entire log, from start to finish:

Code

[3/31/2012 9:32:09 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Hey Sai. Could we talk?
[3/31/2012 9:32:18 PM] Sai: yea
[3/31/2012 9:33:11 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Listen, I don't want this to end in a bloody war
[3/31/2012 9:33:28 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: I say we leave it up to the group, it's always been about the group regardless.
[3/31/2012 9:33:41 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Will you honor the decision made in C4Vs thread?
[3/31/2012 9:34:10 PM] Sai: The only  true way to settle things is with unity
[3/31/2012 9:34:35 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Yes. And the only way for that to be achieved is for the group to agree
[3/31/2012 9:34:50 PM] Sai: Right now there are 2 sides
[3/31/2012 9:34:50 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: So let us let the group make the decision, shall we?
[3/31/2012 9:34:59 PM] Sai: your side and mine
[3/31/2012 9:35:18 PM] Sai: Why not just not make sides?
[3/31/2012 9:35:27 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: What do you mean
[3/31/2012 9:35:58 PM] Sai: This all started because you you were demoted and became anti
[3/31/2012 9:36:18 PM] Sai: Why not just lead the group together?
[3/31/2012 9:36:32 PM] Sai: Like we were
[3/31/2012 9:36:37 PM] Sai: inn the first place
[3/31/2012 9:37:31 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: I'm sorry, but there's no going back there.
[3/31/2012 9:38:03 PM] Sai: Hm well yea thats true
[3/31/2012 9:39:02 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: The fact of the matter is, and C4V put this well
[3/31/2012 9:39:07 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: If I can paraphrase him
[3/31/2012 9:39:15 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Actually, I'll find the quote
[3/31/2012 9:39:18 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: To maintain accuracy
[3/31/2012 9:41:47 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Can't find it
[3/31/2012 9:41:53 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: But it was along the lines of
[3/31/2012 9:42:24 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Found it
[3/31/2012 9:42:25 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: [Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:09 PM] C4V:

<<< As of now it seems Sai's actions have left a deep print on the members. Wounds too fresh and too deep to heal.
He'll inevitably have to resign, it seems.
[3/31/2012 9:42:34 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: C4V supports you
[3/31/2012 9:42:46 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: He will until this entire situation is settled, most likely.
[3/31/2012 9:42:51 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: But it's just not practical
[3/31/2012 9:43:10 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Leadership works if the people are willing
[3/31/2012 11:03:55 PM] Sai: Once I have proven I can benefit GM, mind making some kind of apology thread in like 2 weeks?
[3/31/2012 11:04:51 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: No, only because of the respect you've shown me.
[3/31/2012 11:04:58 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: I will admit I was wrong
[3/31/2012 11:05:01 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: but I will not apologize.
[3/31/2012 11:05:32 PM] Sai: Well not apologize to me but just let people know I did not scam anyone nor was that my intention
[3/31/2012 11:05:37 PM] Sai: not an apology to me
[3/31/2012 11:13:33 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Sure. If you can reach significant progress in two weeks
[3/31/2012 11:13:37 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: I'll say I was wrong.
[3/31/2012 11:17:45 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: If you agree to honor the groups decision
[3/31/2012 11:17:48 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: in 2 weeks.
[3/31/2012 11:19:38 PM] Sai: huh?
[3/31/2012 11:20:02 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: In two weeks, the group will decide what is best from here on.
[3/31/2012 11:20:18 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: I will honor my end if you honor yours.
[3/31/2012 11:20:37 PM] Sai: Okay
[3/31/2012 11:21:42 PM] Alex [Rhythm]: Alright.

This is clearly Sai agreeing to let the group decide in two weeks, and if the group decided in his favor I would concede and admit I was wrong.

[Sports.]

Does it really matter who the "leader" is? Why can't you and Sai just get along? From what I have heard THAT will make the GM better, not a revolution, even if Sai got the group sneakily.

---

More thoughts came to my mind: Both you and Sai are good people. Two good people in a group is way better than two angry people with only one in the group. Please just settle this as the GM are HF's only graphics group.

[Foco]

Very interesting predicament. Im not involved with the GM so I don't know each of you. But it seems pretty split

[Sai]

Does it really matter who the "leader" is? Why can't you and Sai just get along? From what I have heard THAT will make the GM better, not a revolution, even if Sai got the group sneakily.

---

More thoughts came to my mind: Both you and Sai are good people. Two good people in a group is way better than two angry people with only one in the group. Please just settle this as the GM are HF's only graphics group.

This.
I offered Rhythms leader position again to end this but he denied.

[Rhythm]

This.
I offered Rhythms leader position again to end this but he denied.

All you've shown here is I don't care about power. The group's life is on the balance here Sai, are you really willing to let it die to try and preserve your self-interests?

[Sai]

All you've shown here is I don't care about power. The group's life is on the balance here Sai, are you really willing to let it die to try and preserve your self-interests?

Are you willing to kill GM by not having your way?

[Rhythm]

Are you willing to kill GM by not having your way?

I'm not killing GM, I'm killing your group. Your group as far as I'm concerned is not GM anymore.

If the shit hits the fan here Sai, you're as much to blame as I am.

[Eruditus]

Well, it is drama, but Rhythm is right.

Sai, you seem like a manipulative dick head. Who on earth would want a leader who constantly lies, breaks promises?

[Analog-]

Lol @ all of you children still bickering. It's been like a month now.

[.au3]

Yeah guys you should just let it be it is a group...

[~zander]

Fuck both of them, get back someone who knows what they're doing and knows their group.
Obviously the way Sai got the group is unfair, but making threads about it over and over again will only aggravate everyone instead of joining this so called revolution. Just get back Buzz Lightyear, or find someone else who knows their way around graphics and communication. This is just going to ruin the group, not help it. I don't know about both of you, but activity in GM doesn't seem so bad, even if I'm still new to the group, it's not totally dead.