[Hypnotist]

The fed likes to fuck over people to make an example, being careful is just common sense. Pretending it isn't is just kind of ignorant.... being careful is acknowledging the government will do shitty things and preventing it

P.S., do you know what OPSEC is?

Yes, they like to make examples of people who do illegal things. Again read over what I said. No of course I don't.

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I did read over what you said, and that's what stuck out to me. You acknowledge that much of the content posted here is indicative of crimes being committed. You admit that at least one person has been visited by the feds. And then, you tell us to trust the owner of the forum with personal information.
The fact of the matter is, when it comes to an infosec forum, privacy should be encouraged, not banned. Doubly so if users have been grabbed in the past.

I didn't tell you to trust anyone. You obviously have something to hide sir. Maybe you shouldn't be here.

[Bӏue]

Yes, which is exactly why VPNs and another anonymity services shouldn't be banned.

No, Not at all.
So you are saying, VPN's and proxies should be unbanned (which will make multi-accounting and ban evading very easy) so that users can safely do illegal stuff on a public and most likely monitored forum?
Omni has stated many times that this isn't a blackhat forum, and he isn't going to protect us if shit gets legal. It's our responsibility to post within laws or face the consequences.

If you want to use a VPN and talk about shit thats illegal but within HF's rules then fine, but actually put the effort into finding a VPN which isn't blocked. It's not difficult, took me about 20 mins. Don't expect the rules just to evolve around your laziness.

[Radical_ed]

Yes, they like to make examples of people who do illegal things. Again read over what I said. No of course I don't.

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I didn't tell you to trust anyone. You obviously have something to hide sir. Maybe you shouldn't be here.

You're basically saying that because arrests aren't that common, we should avoid taking precautions. Nice.

I really don't get what point you're arguing.

[Hypnotist]

You're basically saying that because arrests aren't that common, we should avoid taking precautions. Nice.

I really don't get what point you're arguing.

Is this Mr Ulbricht? I really don't see where you're going with this.

[Radical_ed]

No, Not at all.
So you are saying, VPN's and proxies should be unbanned (which will make multi-accounting and ban evading very easy) so that users can safely do illegal stuff on a public and most likely monitored forum?

Omni has stated many times that this isn't a blackhat forum, and he isn't going to protect us if shit gets legal. It's our responsibility to post within laws or face the consequences.

Plenty of stuff IS breaking laws though, and at the VERY least users can be easily linked to other stuff they've done elsewhere. Security is all this forum really is any more, I'm surprised so many users are so ignorant to why it is important.

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Is this Mr Ulbricht? I really don't see where you're going with this.

Ah, so you don't have a point.

You seem like the kind of person that would support SOPA.

Edit: you know something as simple as owning a steam item stealer could net you 10 years in jail, right?

[PeachyCream]

Yes, they like to make examples of people who do illegal things. Again read over what I said. No of course I don't.

Yes, they like to make examples of people who do illegal things

Most kids here are breaking the law one way or another at one point.

Bruh

You obviously have something to hide sir. Maybe you shouldn't be here.

It's not about whether or not I have something to hide. This is literally an infosec forum. That exact attitude- "do nothing wrong and you will have nothing to hide", is exactly what the infosec community is fighting against.

[Bӏue]

Plenty of stuff IS breaking laws though, and at the VERY least users can be easily linked to other stuff they've done elsewhere. Security is all this forum really is any more, I'm surprised so many users are so ignorant to why it is important.

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Ah, so you don't have a point.

You seem like the kind of person that would support SOPA.

Yeah, I agree that a lot of stuff here breaks laws, Like the majority of the vices section for a start...
But the thing is, A lot of people here don't break the rules and if VPN's were allowed all for the benefit of those who do wish to break laws, then that means everyone including those who don't break laws has to deal with the constant ban evaders, multi's, forum spammers and everyone else which the VPN ban is designed to protect against.

All I'm saying is, If you wanna be blackhat on a clearnet forum, then im afraid it's you who has to go the extra mile to hide yourself.

[PrivateDonut]

Hackforums is more of a general forums then anything, if you're that worried, I'd suggest maybe finding another forums that allows accessible through VPN's. Because as long as you aren't going around telling everyone what you're doing, then I'm sure you'll be fine.

[Hypnotist]

Plenty of stuff IS breaking laws though, and at the VERY least users can be easily linked to other stuff they've done elsewhere. Security is all this forum really is any more, I'm surprised so many users are so ignorant to why it is important.

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Ah, so you don't have a point.

You seem like the kind of person that would support SOPA.

Edit: you know something as simple as owning a steam item stealer could net you 10 years in jail, right?

Recently I made a suggestion to Omni to make profiles private. I think this would make people feel so much secure, although I don't think he wants to go in that direction.

Yes but in reality a judge would not look at it like that would he?
If that happened that would make them the criminals.

[Radical_ed]

Yeah, I agree that a lot of stuff here breaks laws, Like the majority of the vices section for a start...
But the thing is, A lot of people here don't break the rules and if VPN's were allowed all for the benefit of those who do wish to break laws, then that means everyone including those who don't break laws has to deal with the constant ban evaders, multi's, forum spammers and everyone else which the VPN ban is designed to protect against.

All I'm saying is, If you wanna be blackhat on a clearnet forum, then im afraid it's you who has to go the extra mile to hide yourself.

That's kinda the point though. Going out of your way to purchase a VPN IS going an extra mile (not the only one you should take, but def one of them)

I'm not personally trying to hide much with this account, and I never will on this forum, most likely. But some security is ALWAYS better than none.

PS- multi accounting is rife here. Dynamic IP's and public wifi means that will never change.

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Recently I made a suggestion to Omni to make profiles private. I think this would make people feel so much secure, although I don't think he wants to go in that direction.

Yes but in reality a judge would not look at it like that would he?
If that happened that would make them the criminals.

A judge would not look at what like what, exactly? Just asking because your post seemed kinda vague.

[Hypnotist]

That's kinda the point though. Going out of your way to purchase a VPN IS going an extra mile (not the only one you should take, but def one of them)

I'm not personally trying to hide much with this account, and I never will on this forum, most likely. But some security is ALWAYS better than none.

PS- multi accounting is rife here. Dynamic IP's and public wifi means that will never change.

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A judge would not look at what like what, exactly? Just asking because your post seemed kinda vague.

Let's say a kid gets arrested. The evidence being provided in court includes his HF profile. On his HF profile he has obviously been doing some naughty things! Chasing those Counter Strike weapons, ratting people, what ever. A judge isn't going to send that 14 year old down for 10 years, trust me. They're not as bad as you think. If you're thinking like this you're being paranoid. Something has you paranoid. Maybe you're a hacker? 🤝

[PeachyCream]

Let's say a kid gets arrested. The evidence being provided in court includes his HF profile. On his HF profile he has obviously been doing some naughty things! Chasing those Counter Strike weapons, ratting people, what ever. A judge isn't going to send that 14 year old down for 10 years, trust me. They're not as bad as you think. If you're thinking like this you're being paranoid. Something has you paranoid. Maybe you're a hacker? 🤝

You're assuming that all people that get caught are 10 year olds. A lot of people here, myself included, are not minors and banking on the courts taking it easy on you is very foolish because there isn't really a precedent for that. In fact, the precedent seems to be pointing the opposite direction.
At the end of the day, with the content of this forum, it really shouldn't be left up to chance or to the supposed benevolence of some judge. Users should have the option to protect themselves, whether they be just newly learning or if they're more experienced.

[Radical_ed]

Let's say a kid gets arrested. The evidence being provided in court includes his HF profile. On his HF profile he has obviously been doing some naughty things! Chasing those Counter Strike weapons, ratting people, what ever. A judge isn't going to send that 14 year old down for 10 years, trust me. They're not as bad as you think. If you're thinking like this you're being paranoid. Something has you paranoid. Maybe you're a hacker? 🤝

maybe I'm on hackforums 🤣

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafet...ay/2224827 - felony charges for a prank (stupid, but it happened)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/...rimes.html - even more ridiculous example

I also have anecdotal evidence of hack creators being put in jail (hacks for games, aimbots, etc). People here also aren't all kids.

Ps- "Just ain't the same for hackers" ?

[Hypnotist]

maybe I'm on hackforums 🤣

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafet...ay/2224827 - felony charges for a prank (stupid, but it happened)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/...rimes.html - even more ridiculous example

I also have anecdotal evidence of hack creators being put in jail (hacks for games, aimbots, etc). People here also aren't all kids.

Ps- "Just ain't the same for hackers" ?

They're good examples. Here's mine.
http://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/opel...king-forum
KMS is now out of custody and served little time in jail (on remand).
That's a 28 year old man that they recognised had mental issues because of the time he spent on his PC. He may have snitched his way out but it's still reality. & Dr Dre - The Watcher

[Radical_ed]

They're good examples. Here's mine.
http://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/opel...king-forum
KMS is now out of custody and served little time in jail (on remand).
That's a 28 year old man that they recognised had mental issues because of the time he spent on his PC. He may have snitched his way out but it's still reality. & Dr Dre - The Watcher

Remember though, an example of the law working correctly doesn't discount previous problems where it did NOT work correctly.

People are assholes, and it's nice to have asshole insurance.