I am looking for a RAT (Remote Administration Tool, or Remote Administration Trojan like some likes to call it) that has the capability of creating a secret virtual PC that the "victim" or computer user won't know about that would allow me to perform tasks within that virtual PC completely separate to whatever the user of the computer is doing on the computer and that they can't see what I am doing.
Picture a RAT like, for example: njRAT that allows you to explore files, download and upload files, see the webcam, hear the microphone, see the desktop screen, control the desktop remotely via mouse, but would have "Create Virtual Computer" as part of the menu choices
Example:
Menu:
Create a Virtual PC
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->Define hard drive size (Host PC has 232 GB of free available space):__ GB
->Define amount of RAM to allocate to the virtual PC (Host PC has: 8 GB of RAM):_ MB
->Select ISO image to mount (to install OS): <Browse the victim's PC for an ISO image you get to remotely upload to any folder>_
->Define NIC interface MAC address:_
->Remote Desktop:
|->[ ] Use VNC to view and control this virtual PC. Port:___
you know? Something like that..
I know that there has to be a RAT with such capability by this time, I did google it and couldn't find any, or perhaps I wasn't using the correct term and maybe its not know as a "RAT" or something. Googling it up only returns results explaining how to run a trojan inside a virtual machine/virtual box.
I think the closest thing you are going to get to that is HVNC. Some RATs have it already.
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Pretty sure all those features are in normal rats
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I don't know why you need to create a virtual machine. that would take up a decent amount of disk space and be not very low key.
No you can't find this type of feature anywhere on internet but it is possible to do this, Coder has to learn hypervisor api or virtualbox api to do this magic
This is ridiculous.
There's no purpose for this.
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(Dec 23, 2018 03:16 AM)InvestorLogic Wrote: I am looking for a RAT (Remote Administration Tool, or Remote Administration Trojan like some likes to call it) that has the capability of creating a secret virtual PC that the "victim" or computer user won't know about that would allow me to perform tasks within that virtual PC completely separate to whatever the user of the computer is doing on the computer and that they can't see what I am doing.
Picture a RAT like, for example: njRAT that allows you to explore files, download and upload files, see the webcam, hear the microphone, see the desktop screen, control the desktop remotely via mouse, but would have "Create Virtual Computer" as part of the menu choices
Example:
Menu:
Create a Virtual PC
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->Define hard drive size (Host PC has 232 GB of free available space):__ GB
->Define amount of RAM to allocate to the virtual PC (Host PC has: 8 GB of RAM):_ MB
->Select ISO image to mount (to install OS): <Browse the victim's PC for an ISO image you get to remotely upload to any folder>_
->Define NIC interface MAC address:_
->Remote Desktop:
|->[ ] Use VNC to view and control this virtual PC. Port:___
you know? Something like that..
I know that there has to be a RAT with such capability by this time, I did google it and couldn't find any, or perhaps I wasn't using the correct term and maybe its not know as a "RAT" or something. Googling it up only returns results explaining how to run a trojan inside a virtual machine/virtual box. Also sounds like hVNC
(Dec 23, 2018 08:22 AM)I.M.P Wrote: Also sounds like hVNC
No its not
its something like remote virtualbox manager
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OP I read your thread, but heres where my logic lies.
First, you wanna do more work then required, why?
Secondly, it does not seem very well thought out. I dont want prison time, and Ive no idea what the hell happened last night. lol
Dec 26, 2018 12:06 AM
(This post was last modified: Dec 26, 2018 12:25 AM by InvestorLogic.)
(Dec 23, 2018 03:55 AM)SIM-2875347 Wrote: I think the closest thing you are going to get to that is HVNC. Some RATs have it already.
I have tried njRAT (lots of versions, from the leaked source code to the one going as "Lime-Rat"), I have tried Nano Core, even Lumosity (the creation of server/stub doesn't work as that is dependent on the developer's license activation to create your stub for you, but all the other menus does work just enough to tell me all the capability of that RAT), I have tried a few other RAT's and none of them had such a feature to create a virtual PC. If you know of an example I would love to hear it.
(Dec 23, 2018 07:13 AM)I.M.P Wrote: Pretty sure all those features are in normal rats
I have tried njRAT (lots of versions, from the leaked source code to the one going as "Lime-Rat"), I have tried Nano Core, even Lumosity (the creation of server/stub doesn't work as that is dependent on the developer's license activation to create your stub for you, but all the other menus does work just enough to tell me all the capability of that RAT), I have tried a few other RAT's and none of them had such a feature to create a virtual PC and all those RAT's looks like "normal RAT's" too me.
(Dec 23, 2018 07:26 AM)sh4moon Wrote: I don't know why you need to create a virtual machine. that would take up a decent amount of disk space and be not very low key.
Depending on the use case there are many advantages to running a virtual PC inside the victim's computer. With your very own virtual PC you can run VPN's, run advance software/implement your own solution, and best of all you can execute your LEGAL method of making money online where the more computers/hosts you have to your availability the more money you can make and no I am not talking about cryptocurrency mining at all. You can prepare your .vhd or .img hard drive image preloading everyting you need and send that off to the remote computer to run it as a virtual PC instance (consider it your very own private Amazon EC2 solution) and no, I am not talking about anything illegal here, all that can be arranged with the permission of the computer owner and would still be alot cheaper than using Amazon EC2. Such a RAT with such a feature would no doubt be extremely useful.
You mentioned that it would take a decent amount of disk space, well there are lots of computers out there with massive amounts of disk space, with spaces much greater than 1 TB using 30 GB to run your own Windows 7 Instance or even 8 GB (or even 4 GB untra light) linux instance. the impact won't be felt at all by the user.
And lastly, this is something I would like to see, if none other than for the "hobby" for the yet another thing we can do with computers, very fun, interesting that we can use to show off, a concept, etc...
(Dec 23, 2018 08:06 AM)✪ BL4ZE Wrote: No you can't find this type of feature anywhere on internet but it is possible to do this, Coder has to learn hypervisor api or virtualbox api to do this magic
I hope a coder forks over njRAT (open source) and implement those in the forked version, would be really cool to see the outcome of this.
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I read this and first thing I thought of was covert comms or covertness in general. Controlling a host from a guest .. remember that they are separate ( at least without a VM escape which happens), yes some sharing does occur files/clipboard/drag and drop yet generally they are separate. Like yes using Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro/Enterprise you have a generally on board hypervisor .. the real thing though is you would be needing to ensure WIndows 10 Pro/Enterprise and enable maybe use a boxstarter setup or something or even a DSIM. I personally would think that something very light weight would be the important thing.. Windows 7/8/10 embedded? (You now are looking at ~3.5gigs for a gui) You really want light weight solutions to do all of this. Honestly though controlling the host probably wouldn't happen unless let's say that you setup a pssession or a VNC on said host. Seeing that covertness is not the primary reasoning, you're basically paying for the same ground twice.
(Dec 26, 2018 12:06 AM)InvestorLogic Wrote: I have tried njRAT (lots of versions, from the leaked source code to the one going as "Lime-Rat"), I have tried Nano Core, even Lumosity (the creation of server/stub doesn't work as that is dependent on the developer's license activation to create your stub for you, but all the other menus does work just enough to tell me all the capability of that RAT), I have tried a few other RAT's and none of them had such a feature to create a virtual PC. If you know of an example I would love to hear it.
I have tried njRAT (lots of versions, from the leaked source code to the one going as "Lime-Rat"), I have tried Nano Core, even Lumosity (the creation of server/stub doesn't work as that is dependent on the developer's license activation to create your stub for you, but all the other menus does work just enough to tell me all the capability of that RAT), I have tried a few other RAT's and none of them had such a feature to create a virtual PC and all those RAT's looks like "normal RAT's" too me.
Depending on the use case there are many advantages to running a virtual PC inside the victim's computer. With your very own virtual PC you can run VPN's, run advance software/implement your own solution, and best of all you can execute your LEGAL method of making money online where the more computers/hosts you have to your availability the more money you can make and no I am not talking about cryptocurrency mining at all. You can prepare your .vhd or .img hard drive image preloading everyting you need and send that off to the remote computer to run it as a virtual PC instance (consider it your very own private Amazon EC2 solution) and no, I am not talking about anything illegal here, all that can be arranged with the permission of the computer owner and would still be alot cheaper than using Amazon EC2. Such a RAT with such a feature would no doubt be extremely useful.
You mentioned that it would take a decent amount of disk space, well there are lots of computers out there with massive amounts of disk space, with spaces much greater than 1 TB using 30 GB to run your own Windows 7 Instance or even 8 GB (or even 4 GB untra light) linux instance. the impact won't be felt at all by the user.
And lastly, this is something I would like to see, if none other than for the "hobby" for the yet another thing we can do with computers, very fun, interesting that we can use to show off, a concept, etc...
I hope a coder forks over njRAT (open source) and implement those in the forked version, would be really cool to see the outcome of this.
in which programming language you need this ? .Net or native ?
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You just want to be able to browse their files and execute programs/move/add/remove files without them seeing? So not Remote Desktop Control but what's another name for this folks? Because this exists?
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Jan 18, 2019 06:48 AM
(This post was last modified: Jan 18, 2019 06:49 AM by Angelis.)
Aside from this being pretty much completely pointless.
The Host machine would def. Notice the resources consumption.
Even the most dimwitted of users would realize something if fucky when their cup and memory are constantly maxed out.
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(Jan 18, 2019 06:48 AM)Angelis Wrote: Aside from this being pretty much completely pointless.
The Host machine would def. Notice the resources consumption.
Even the most dimwitted of users would realize something if fucky when their cup and memory are constantly maxed out.
OP just wants to be able to browse their files and execute programs/move/add/remove files without them seeing? So not Remote Desktop Control but what's another name for this? Because this exists right?
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