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As someone who has lead many groups and currently leads many groups theres a couple things I've noticed with recruitment.
-I don't even bother reading one sentence apps
-I don't like when people PM me to ask if they've been accepted or declined
- Getting into groups is a lot easier if you know people in the group. If people in the group tell me to add x user I will 90% of the time. Thats why you'll see users that are in groups are usually in a few. Groups on HF as a whole is a community in itself and everyone pretty much knows everyone.

That being said I am not a fan of traditional recruitment so I rarely run anything like that

[Spaark]

That being said I am not a fan of traditional recruitment so I rarely run anything like that

I personally think headhunting is a better method. But it's not always up to me.

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I fucking lost it at System[x]'s application. It sounds like it was written by a 12 year old Indian kid.
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> <ACCOUNT NAME>
Off to a fuckin' great start!

>I'm a programmer and know about 13 different coding languages.
Yet if you look at his thread history, He struggles to use basic properties in a piss-easy language. Maybe you should get an in-depth grasp before you move on. Quality > Quantity.

I have no room to speak about activity, as my lifestyle leaves me very little "free time".

>Anything to do with any form of coding
See above. He may be able to speak about programming, Though the knowledgeable part is up for debate. If you shovel enough shit into a box it'll eventually make a brick...

>Why not?

That wasn't exactly the question.

>I can bring a lot to the group I'm a programmer and have many tools.
Yup, %99 can be found using the Search function on HF or by a quick Google search I'm sure.

Not trying to be a dick, It just comes naturally. I for one can't stand people referring to programming languages as "coding languages", Any monkey can mash a keyboard until something eventually compiles. Having the insight to determine logic, usability, and functionality takes skill.

Perhaps read http://www.differencebetween.net/technol...ogramming/ or one of the thousands of related articles.

Considering you put more effort to this than he did to his own application, you're more than welcome to PM me for a Wolfpack invite.

[Discord bot]

Group applications are a fucking joke, IMHO. So much bullshit to sell yourself to another person, it's not a job application and it shouldn't be.

This is somewhat true.

The most genuine members are friends or people you've continuously talked with. But you can't know everyone so applications exist.... even so most of them are trash and either one line long or lengthy with no real context

[Riyu]

This is so true.
Great thread

[Mix]

Can I add to this topic. Dont go on the group cp and join via that. Honestly the worst thing you can do and most likely will get you even less of a chance to join the group.

[Spaark]

Can I add to this topic. Dont go on the group cp and join via that. Honestly the worst thing you can do and most likely will get you even less of a chance to join the group.

Literal brainfarts who do this.

While it's better than nothing, no, adding the eric andre "let me in" won't increase your chances.

[Mix]

Literal brainfarts who do this.

While it's better than nothing, no, adding the eric andre "let me in" won't increase your chances.

I have heard so many people do it when they first start out looking for groups, hell I went there and learnt fast, But some people just dont get it.

[Spaark]

I have heard so many people do it when they first start out looking for groups, hell I went there and learnt fast, But some people just dont get it.

It's very true.

It gets to the point where as a leader I can't even be bothered clearing out the list because it just gets topped up with more idiots.

Tip: Only ever apply via CP when asked.

[Mix]

It's very true.

It gets to the point where as a leader I can't even be bothered clearing out the list because it just gets topped up with more idiots.

Tip: Only ever apply via CP when asked.

Was about to edit my post to add the last bit but it seems we are on the same mindset here.

[Jombah]

Group applications are a fucking joke, IMHO. So much bullshit to sell yourself to another person, it's not a job application and it shouldn't be.

100% what I think lol, step 4. on this thread should be upload your resume and provide references

[Traum]

Great thread buddy, I have seen way too many one line applications in my 7 years on HF.
Writing novels shouldn't be the goal, but at least give the leaders some insight in your life and interests, so that they can determine whether you fit in the group or not.

[isu]

Literal brainfarts who do this.

While it's better than nothing, no, adding the eric andre "let me in" won't increase your chances.

Okay I'll delete that post

[Happeh]

1) Be friends with the right people.
2) Ask for invite.
3) Laugh at the plebs making applications.

[Spaark]

1) Be friends with the right people.
2) Ask for invite.
3) Laugh at the plebs making applications.

It's really that easy.

Networking is key in every social scenario.

[Hah]

Tips fo Applying to Groups and Crews
by Spaark

I thought I'd write up this thread for those who are genuinely interested in joining a usergroup for whatever reason. I've personally experienced, as leader of Wolfpack and Samaritans that particularly new users struggle to successfully get into groups due to the same stupid mistakes. Here are my 3 tips to successfully joining groups or crews on this forum. I'll be referring to both Crews and Usergroups as Usergroups because my brain just isn't that big.

1. Understanding Usergroups
A usergroup, at time of publishing this costs around $1600-$2600 to purchase. In addition you must pay Omniscient $250 to have the group transferred to your name after receiving approval to own it in the first place. They're not cheap and there is a limited number of them. If you don't value the group you're applying to, just don't apply. It might be cool to have a userbar and such, but it's very easy to tell which members are interested in being apart of the community and which just want to sell more ebooks. While obviously every group is unique, it's your job as an applicant to get to know the group before you apply. Get in touch with members that are already in the group you're interested in, make friends and get familiar with what you want to achieve. It's basic networking and it applies to life just as much as Hackforums. Usergroups are commonly very personal and close knitted groups of friends, you should respect that and also use it to your advantage.

2a. Writing an Application - All About You
One of the most frustrating things about the forum for me at the moment is processing applications. If you've taken the first part of advice above, it isn't very hard. But a lot of people are increasingly fucking braindead in their applications. Unless you're seriously involved with the people approving or denying the applications you should write more than one fucking line per application question. Futhermore, if you're genuinely interested in joining a group and think that you can just write 50 words and catch the interest of a HF Group Leader you'd be kidding yourself. When there's an application template, follow it. But don't be shy to get creative and elaborate on the points you make in your application. You don't need to do pages full of information about yourself, but you should try differentiate yourself from the likeminded average HF Member.

2b. Writing an Application - Requirements and things NOT to do
As all groups are unique and so are their entry requirements. Usually present in a Recruitment Thread are the requirements for applicants. They're often not very difficult to meet. Sometimes I get users trying to apply to Wolfpack who I swear don't even read the Recruitment Thread, they skip straight to the bottom and copy paste an App. It's the most obvious sign that you're not a quality member and generally only takes 2mins of reading to avoid. When writing the Application, use proper English and fill in the right information. Hint: If it says <YOURNAME> or something similar, that's where you put your fucking name. English is the primary language of the forum, I understand there's a large group of members who haven't learnt English as their first language, that's fine. But if you're an active member you've probably met someone who does have a good grasp on the language who could potentially help you clean it up. Avoid using abreviatons and slang in Applications. You're trying to sell yourself to someone who has a ~$2000+ investment in the forum, a bit of respect and due diligence goes a long way. An additional tip, don't be that guy who applies through UserCP. It's the worst first impression you could probably make.

3. Afterwards
Lets say you've applied to groups around the forum and nobody has gotten back to you after many days, perhaps weeks. It's time to reflect. Go back to the beginning and consider where you went wrong. Does your profile look like it belongs to a 6 yearold? Was your Application written by a Nigerian scammer? Are you known by anyone within the group? Don't whine in the recruitment thread about how you've not been accepted. If anything seek feedback and try again in an improved manner. Genuine interest is what leaders want and if they don't give you the response you're looking for maybe you should consider finding something else to participate in within the forum. HF is a great place to waste time, you can find something to do around here.

TLDR: if ur application take 30s to read, it'll be read while scrolling and we wont even catch your fucking name.


Time to shout out some of the morons who inspired this thread with their garbage applications. Spoiler (Click to View)

Shit, Should have read this before applying. Oh well I think more people can tell I'm not here for the free MILF packs.