[JuicyProgramming]

Dear HF friends,

Since there are a lot of concerns regarding the platform https://fifty-fifty.casino - https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=6009725 as seen here: https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=6021415

I feel the need to create this thread to clear up the concerns people have. Please note that this thread will be updated regularly.


C: You have 0% house edge how do you sustain this platform?
A: This platform will be funded mainly by us. The only costs we have is server costs. We do have the option to donate to us and we do not exclude the idea to add ads later on when the server-costs are too high.

C: How do I know that the RNG is fair?
A: Our RNG for both Player vs. Player and Player vs. House is a 100% waterproof. Anyone who says it is not does not understand it. All our info about our RNG can be found on: https://fifty-fifty.casino/RNG if someone wants some assistance with understanding it. Kindly send me a PM.

C: Free faucets and Player vs House and 0% edge is impossible!
A: We give free small faucets so people can explore the platform. The Player vs. House is limited to 0.20$ per bet and has a limit of bets per hour. The amount of which we can lose is also limited so we can never lose more than we want to, and if we lost that amount, it would not be possible to play against the house until we fund the system again. We’ve implemented Player vs. House so people have something to do on the platform whilst they wait for people to come online. This feature will later be removed.

C: The development is alot of work, how do you fund this?
A: The platform is fully developed by us. We do this as a hobby and all have regular good-paying jobs. The development costs are 0.00$.

C: You dont have a license and are not registered (and thus you are not legal)!
A: We are non-profit. As stated above we pay the server costs ourself but we are not able to invest the amount needed for a license. We are not able to get investors because we are not making any money out of this. If someone is so generous to funds us the license we will be happy to accept it and officially register the platform. We’ve had contact with Casino Licensing companies all around the world and a license is NOT required for us (however it would ofcourse be better to have one).

If there are any more concerns I will be happy to clear them up for you.

Thanks for reading and have a wonderful day!

[RUMRUN]

It's a scam. This man is a conman. Details submitted to multiple agencies. Attempts to bring up highly technical terms but misattributes them to fit his security narrative.

Ask any credible programmer to verify what he is typing makes sense. The answer is: NO

Main problem: win odds can be rigged at will (goes entirely against the edge claim)
Why? PHP is used to handle the final decision process, PHP is server-side only and not verifiable for the player.
How do credible gambling sites do it (ie bustabit)? They use javascript.
But the client seeds? A cool trick, doesn't do anything odds-wise, you submit everything to the PHP script.

[JuicyProgramming]

It's a scam. This man is a conman. Details submitted to multiple agencies. Attempts to bring up highly technical terms but misattributes them to fit his security narrative.

Ask any credible programmer to verify what he is typing makes sense. The answer is: NO

Main problem: win odds can be rigged at will (goes entirely against the edge claim)
Why? PHP is used to handle the final decision process, PHP is server-side only and not verifiable for the player.
How do credible gambling sites do it (ie bustabit)? They use javascript.
But the client seeds? A cool trick, doesn't do anything odds-wise, you submit everything to the PHP script.

You don't understand our RNG. What you state is wrong, and you can verify that. Please read: https://www.fifty-fifty.casino/RNG
Doesnt matter that we use PHP and you would understand that if you'd read that page.

Besides that, I offered you to explain it and show a demo and you ignored me. Says enough amigo: https://imgur.com/a/y0IlR16

I can not take you seriously anymore.

[Rake]

It's a scam. This man is a conman. Details submitted to multiple agencies. Attempts to bring up highly technical terms but misattributes them to fit his security narrative.

Ask any credible programmer to verify what he is typing makes sense. The answer is: NO

Main problem: win odds can be rigged at will (goes entirely against the edge claim)
Why? PHP is used to handle the final decision process, PHP is server-side only and not verifiable for the player.
How do credible gambling sites do it (ie bustabit)? They use javascript.
But the client seeds? A cool trick, doesn't do anything odds-wise, you submit everything to the PHP script.

Yeah I spoke with him over Disc.

He uses a lot of technical jargon to try and throw you off. End of the day you submit your client seed in plain text which is all handled server side and can't be verified by the user that the casino didn't manipulate the results.
I'm going to have my buddy dive deep explaining from a programming perspective and cryptography at that, why this isn't actually truly provably fair when it comes down to it.

[Think1st]

It's a scam. This man is a conman. Details submitted to multiple agencies. Attempts to bring up highly technical terms but misattributes them to fit his security narrative.

Ask any credible programmer to verify what he is typing makes sense. The answer is: NO

Main problem: win odds can be rigged at will (goes entirely against the edge claim)
Why? PHP is used to handle the final decision process, PHP is server-side only and not verifiable for the player.
How do credible gambling sites do it (ie bustabit)? They use javascript.
But the client seeds? A cool trick, doesn't do anything odds-wise, you submit everything to the PHP script.

thanks for the info

but kids never gamble

[JuicyProgramming]

Yeah I spoke with him over Disc.

He uses a lot of technical jargon to try and throw you off. End of the day you submit your client seed in plain text which is all handled server side and can't be verified by the user that the casino didn't manipulate the results.
I'm going to have my buddy dive deep explaining from a programming perspective and cryptography at that, why this isn't actually truly provably fair when it comes down to it.

You dont submit your client-seed in plain-text. Please read the RNG page and watch the video. You also ignored me after I explained it. Proof: https://imgur.com/a/x36N4B4

Why ya'll telling its not correct but only coming with FALSE INFORMATION.

[RUMRUN]

You're the one who has to prove something. Not claim things which are inherently FALSE INFORMATION and MISATTRIBUTION OF SECURITY FEATURES.

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Yeah. It actually matters that you use PHP. Nobody can verify jack shit.

[JuicyProgramming]

You're the one who has to prove something. Not claim things which are inherently FALSE INFORMATION and MISATTRIBUTION OF SECURITY FEATURES.

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Yeah. It actually matters that you use PHP. Nobody can verify jack Clay Davis.

You can. Because BEFORE you send your client-seed in plain-text to the server (so BEFORE PHP is used), you see the opponent his client-seed-hash and server-seed-hash and thus confirm AFTER the bet that those where not based upon your client-seed.

The bet is calculated with 3 factors A, B and C

If you know the hashes of B and C before you input A we could've never influenced the outcome based upon your client-seed.

This completely tackles your claim. Again our RNG is 100% waterproof!

[cryp]

I deposited and it hit 3 confs but I have not been credited.

Username: cryptoyalty
TXID: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transacti...583124ff35

[Rake]

Yeah. So what does that fuc.k.ing client seed actually matter if you handle the hashes completely hidden from all public view? You fu.cking retard. For all I care your script just passes the client seeds and does something different out of side, in fuc.king PHP, where it's hidden. Faggo.t.

They scammed a user btw

I deposited and it hit 3 confs but I  have not been credited.

Username: cryptoyalty
TXID: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transacti...583124ff35

[JuicyProgramming]

They scammed a user btw

No, our cron-jobs of payment verification has been set to 5 minutes currently. More info about cron jobs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron

We will decrease this as it might cause confusion :)

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Yeah. So what does that fuc.k.ing client seed actually matter if you handle the hashes completely hidden from all public view? You fu.cking retard. For all I care your script just passes the client seeds and does something different out of side, in fuc.king PHP, where it's hidden. Faggo.t.

Nope it is hashed using Javascript inside your computer. It is not hashed on the server. Hopefully that clears it up :)

[Anzee]

Fix your website. It's down.

https://check-host.net/check-report/b4d0986kec1

I have active bets...

[Omniscient]

My opinion on this is that scammers usually don't offer full explanations like this.

https://fifty-fifty.casino/RNG

I haven't seen anyone try to confirm their method is valid as provably fair. If you want to claim they are scamming then get proof.

btw, looks like their site under DDOS attack as it's offline. Shame you guys have to be assholes.

Here is there RNG page...

[JuicyProgramming]

Fix your website. It's down.

https://check-host.net/check-report/b4d0986kec1

I have active bets...

Not possible, bets require you to be online. I guess we have our suspect #1 😖 Do whatever you wish my friend. Spend your money on us 👍

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My opinion on this is that scammers usually don't offer full explanations like this.

https://fifty-fifty.casino/RNG

I haven't seen anyone try to confirm their method is valid as provably fair.  If you want to claim they are scamming then get proof.

btw, looks like their site under DDOS attack as it's offline.  Shame you guys have to be assholes.

Here is there RNG page...

I greatly appreciate this comment. And indeed, unfortunately some people have to be assholes but there is nothing we can do about it.

[Kill Joy]

I need to test the actual seed generation myself, but the two people attacking this website seem like idiots.

The RNG page covers everything you need to know in great depth. They even went as far as to making sure a user cannot maliciously alter the client-sided seed.

The formulas work out. It seems near similar to how bitcoin addresses are generated as

(private+private)*G = (public+public)