[Demize]

Same person who made that one 😂😂😂

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The only other active middlemen not in the crew are Kill Joy and Cameron , both of whom are invited to join if they wish 🤪

Yikes 😂😂😂😂

[Ash Ketchum]

Same person who made that one 😂😂😂

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The only other active middlemen not in the crew are Kill Joy and Cameron , both of whom are invited to join if they wish 🤪

Just because you recruit the middlemen of the forum doesn't mean you should be able to make it your official title, if I was to make a MM thread right now I'm as trustworthy as either of these people but I wouldn't be added because of personal quarrels. Trust isn't judged by favoritism or who can afford to buy a crew, the moment someone gets scammed because of your false implications is the day we lose a potential member of the forum.

[Zexi]

Just because you recruit the middlemen of the forum doesn't mean you should be able to make it your official title, if I was to make a MM thread right now I'm as trustworthy as either of these people but I wouldn't be added because of personal quarrels. Trust isn't judged by favoritism or who can afford to buy a crew, the moment someone gets scammed because of your false implications is the day we lose a potential member of the forum.

There is no false sense of trust because the 2 of us the only guys who actually MM on this site all the time. If there was a member with 33 B ratings which i wouldn’t trust with my money in the crew i would leave it immediately and not let it be associated with me.

Also the crew is not named “Official HF Middlemen”, doubt Lavish didn’t run it by Omni before rebranding.

This thread is not about the crew its about my suggestion. Feel free to create a thread yourself where you rant about the crew.

[Ash Ketchum]

There is no false sense of trust because the 2 of us the only guys who actually MM on this site all the time. If there was a member with 33 B ratings which i wouldn’t trust with my money in the crew i would leave it immediately and not let it be associated with me.

Also the crew is not named “Official HF Middlemen”, doubt Lavish didn’t run it by Omni before rebranding.

This thread is not about the crew its about my suggestion. Feel free to create a thread yourself where you rant about the crew.

I can guarantee I've done bigger deals on this forum than you, But aside from that, this is directly related to your thread?
If adding B-ratings for MM becomes a thing it adds to your end goal for the crew you're in.
the crew status was also discussed/implied by both you and lavish, But don't worry I won't continue to speak on your thread as long as no one quotes me further.

[Kirkland]

It will comes easier for member to trust their middleman.

[Lavish Living]

Just because you recruit the middlemen of the forum doesn't mean you should be able to make it your official title, if I was to make a MM thread right now I'm as trustworthy as either of these people but I wouldn't be added because of personal quarrels. Trust isn't judged by favoritism or who can afford to buy a crew, the moment someone gets scammed because of your false implications is the day we lose a potential member of the forum.

You wouldn’t be added because you wouldn’t be an established mm.

Build your b rating and mm track record to be invited. Thanks for your interest though.

As for “official” or “trusted” - those are words I never used or will use.

[Ash Ketchum]

You wouldn’t be added because you wouldn’t be an established mm.

Build your b rating and mm track record to be invited. Thanks for your interest though.

As for “official” or “trusted” - those are words I never used or will use.

You don't need titles to make a statement.

And what the thousands of dollars of exchanges i've done aren't an established portfolio?

B-rating is new and you've got 99% of yours from cheap products, anyone can sell cheap accounts and build a b-rating that doesn't make them trusted.
But I don't care about if you dislike me or not I care about how misleading your crew is to new members.

Anyway even though OP and you discussed the crew openly on the thread he no longer wants it discussed so feel free to pm me if you want to say anything else.

[Lavish Living]

You don't need titles to make a statement.

And what the thousands of dollars of exchanges i've done aren't an established portfolio?

B-rating is new and you've got 99% of yours from cheap products, anyone can sell cheap accounts and build a b-rating that doesn't make them trusted.
But I don't care about if you dislike me or not I care about how misleading your crew is to new members.

Anyway even though OP and you discussed the crew openly on the thread he no longer wants it discussed so feel free to pm me if you want to say anything else.

I’ve done more in exchanges the past month than you have in your entire HF career.

I’ve also MM’d thousands. Exchanges won’t play any role in who gets invited to the Middlemen crew besides a high b rating but even if you had 2,000 b rating (Raymond) I wouldn’t invite you unless you have established yourself as an mm as well

[Ash Ketchum]

I’ve done more in exchanges the past month than you have in your entire HF career.

I’ve also MM’d thousands. Exchanges won’t play any role in who gets invited to the Middlemen crew besides a high b rating but even if you had 2,000 b rating (Raymond) I wouldn’t invite you unless you have established yourself as an mm as well

You've certainly not done more exchanges in the past month than i've done in my entire HF career, until like 2018 you weren't even an active member lmfao.

Anyway, this thread isn't about arguing with you I've proven the flaw in your crew already, spin it how you wish but your end goal is to turn it into a money grab and no one's dumb enough to not see that naming yourself Middlemen implies you're a trusted member of the community and to others, an officially ranked MM since that rank does exist on a lot of marketplaces.

Now stop quoting me forcing me to defend myself so OP can get the responses he came for.

[Cooligan]

The only other active middlemen not in the crew are Kill Joy and Cameron , both of whom are invited to join if they wish 🤪

There is no false sense of trust because the 2 of us the only guys who actually MM on this site all the time. If there was a member with 33 B ratings which i wouldn’t trust with my money in the crew i would leave it immediately and not let it be associated with me.

Lol... These 2 posts couldn't be more wrong. I can think of 5 other members off the top of my head I'd trust all year before coming to either of you, sorry to say Zexi. Not to mention that you 2 are NOT the only middlemen on this forum, that's just comical to think that guys. Especially when I've been middlemanning years and years longer than either of you and can quite literally guarantee the amount I've MM'd in total is hundreds of thousands of dollars more than you guys ever have. Now this is not a pissing contest, so please do not reply with antagonistic responses.. I'm simply here to let both of you know that it's an utter crock to think just because now you have a fancy crew userbar means anyone who's in the crew is now the best MM on the forum, hence some of your replies to Ash on this thread.

Middlemanning is about helping the community, not about creating clout for yourself or to use it as a tool to benefit yourself. Most people I see today who try to MM or create a new service for it turns out dying in about a month, why? Because they're in it for the money and clout, and/or "b-rating" depending on what site/forum this is happening on, and I won't lie but seeing a fancy crew userbar saying "Middlemen" that is also owned by Lavish, well it's hard to not think that it has to do with money.

I just know what groups like this turn into, and typically it's never pretty. Some great members have fallen to the temptation of a medium-ish deal of say a $3,000 IG username, they end up scamming out simply because the opportunity has now arisen due to them being in a fancy group/crew labeled "Escrow" or "Middleman", it's happened oh so so many times on multiple forums. My advice would be to tread lightly when adding new members, don't add people just because they're in Gamblers, don't add people you think are your "friends", and DON'T add anyone because they paid..

Please just take this as constructive criticism as I'm not here to argue with anyone.

[Ash Ketchum]

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Cooligan with the facts, it's funny you of all people would post here simply because you've got next to no b-rating but i would hand you thousands right now because of the reputation you've built by showing your constant worth on HF.

Quite funny how the only 2 people here with a past on HF prior to b-rating introduction are the only ones running a Free service, It's because we want people to be safe not try and monopolize middle manning lmfao the disgust.

[Lavish Living]

Lol... These 2 posts couldn't be more wrong. I can think of 5 other members off the top of my head I'd trust all year before coming to either of you, sorry to say Zexi. Not to mention that you 2 are NOT the only middlemen on this forum, that's just comical to think that guys. Especially when I've been middlemanning years and years longer than either of you and can quite literally guarantee the amount I've MM'd in total is hundreds of thousands of dollars more than you guys ever have. Now this is not a pissing contest, so please do not reply with antagonistic responses.. I'm simply here to let both of you know that it's an utter crock to think just because now you have a fancy crew userbar means anyone who's in the crew is now the best MM on the forum, hence some of your replies to Ash on this thread.

Middlemanning is about helping the community, not about creating clout for yourself or to use it as a tool to benefit yourself. Most people I see today who try to MM or create a new service for it turns out dying in about a month, why? Because they're in it for the money and clout, and/or "b-rating" depending on what site/forum this is happening on, and I won't lie but seeing a fancy crew userbar saying "Middlemen" that is also owned by Lavish, well it's hard to not think that it has to do with money.

I just know what groups like this turn into, and typically it's never pretty. Some great members have fallen to the temptation of a medium-ish deal of say a $3,000 IG username, they end up scamming out simply because the opportunity has now arisen due to them being in a fancy group/crew labeled "Escrow" or "Middleman", it's happened oh so so many times on multiple forums. My advice would be to tread lightly when adding new members, don't add people just because they're in Gamblers, don't add people you think are your "friends", and DON'T add anyone because they paid..

Please just take this as constructive criticism as I'm not here to argue with anyone.

If this new statistic was shown (OPs purpose), the number of deals you MM’d recently using contracts, what would your number be?

I don’t want to invite old inactive middlemen because I don’t see them as truth worthy. They could very well come out of nowhere and do exactly what you just stated and scam for a quick $3k. I will only be inviting active members of the community. But even then - it’s just a crew lol. Nothing official about it.

Cooligan with the facts, it's funny you of all people would post here simply because you've got next to no b-rating but i would hand you thousands right now because of the reputation you've built by showing your constant worth on HF.

Quite funny how the only 2 people here with a past on HF prior to b-rating introduction are the only ones running a Free service, It's because we want people to be safe not try and monopolize middle manning lmfao the disgust.

In with the new, out with the old. Trivial concept buddy. Also, I don’t mm for free.

[Zexi]

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Maybe you wouldn't, but one of the five users you would probably go to (Kill Joy) actually went to me to MM his deal, because new members don't think like old members. They come and see who has a lot of B ratings, a lot of vouches and they go with them instead of a guy who has a 2009 account with barely any B rating and a dead MM thread from 2015.

As i said in my previous posts i will never be associated with someone i don't trust and i will leave the crew as soon as someone like that joins. Which i did.
Lavish added Zero to the crew = I left the crew.

I am not a sad person to brag about how much money i MMed or exchanged on HF. (Like certain members in this thread are)
That's why i would like MM statistics to be implemented, actions can speak louder than the words.

Users will not know if it's a official group or not because it won't say anywhere but it has a userbar so they would think it is, and if a scam occurred people would blame the site for it for sure. It could be a great idea if it was heavily controlled which it isn't right now.

Quite funny how the only 2 people here with a past on HF prior to b-rating introduction are the only ones running a Free service, It's because we want people to be safe not try and monopolize middle manning lmfao the disgust.

No offense, yours is probably free because no one comes to use you as a middleman.

[Cooligan]

As i said in my previous posts i will never be associated with someone i don't trust and i will leave the crew as soon as someone like that joins. Which i did.
Lavish added Zero to the crew = I left the crew.

Users will not know if it's a official group or not because it won't say anywhere but it has a userbar so they would think it is, and if a scam occurred people would blame the site for it for sure. It could be a great idea if it was heavily controlled which it isn't right now.

...So in less than 24 hours of the Crew being created, already one of the first members has left due to another member being added that isn't trust worthy enough? Guys.. Do you not see the train you're on right now and that the tracks go off a damn cliff in 500 feet? 🤦‍♂️

Can already see where this is going to go. Do yourselves a favor and rebrand the Crew back to that Exchangers userbar that looked very similar.

"Users will not know if it's a official group or not because it won't say anywhere but it has a userbar so they would think it is, and if a scam occurred people would blame the site for it for sure. It could be a great idea if it was heavily controlled which it isn't right now."

This is a very large part of my point.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you also agreeing that this userbar is a potential liability?

[Lavish Living]

...So in less than 24 hours of the Crew being created, already one of the first members has left due to another member being added that isn't trust worthy enough? Guys.. Do you not see the train you're on right now and that the tracks go off a damn cliff in 500 feet? 🤦‍♂️

Can already see where this is going to go. Do yourselves a favor and rebrand the Crew back to that Exchangers userbar that looked very similar.


This is a very large part of my point.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you also agreeing that this userbar is a potential liability?

All middlemen crew members will be required to deposit 1 btc.

There ya go. In the event any middlemen crew member scams, the 1 btc deposit will be used accordingly. Thank you, have a nice day.