Reason: He requested a loan to help pay for The Angels from Hexicidal. I was under the impression my loan to him would cover the remainder of the balance for the group ($3,750), however, he used my $550 (Owes $620 since he offered interest) and his partner's $450 to pay the $1,000 down payment on Logic. He still owes Hex $2,750 by March 1st for the group.
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Skype Logs:
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[1/19/2013 9:42:06 PM] Sandshrew: When would you want the repayment by? I have a method that I'm going to start tomorrow, then a program being coded, should be done by Tuesday.
[1/19/2013 9:42:56 PM] Tibit: When do you think you'd be able to repay?
[1/19/2013 9:43:11 PM] Sandshrew: I'd want an official date from you first.
[1/19/2013 9:45:33 PM] Tibit: I don't know what kind of timeline you're looking at so I have no clue, for sure no longer than a month. If you can do it within 1-2 weeks then I wouldn't need to talk to Dan about it as we don't have any new expenses that I know of and would still have enough for all our servers.
[1/19/2013 9:46:03 PM] Sandshrew: 2 weeks would be great, I could deffinitelt repay that.
[1/19/2013 9:46:44 PM] Sandshrew: You'd still take out your 10%, then when I got to a stable amount to pay off all of my stuff and repay you, of pay you. Likely it wouldn't be more than a week for the repayment.
[1/19/2013 9:49:51 PM] Tibit: So what's the plan for it? Keep holding PokeBoot Payments till $550 is raised then keep that and the rest to you? Or something else? idk what you're saying D:
[1/19/2013 9:51:24 PM] Sandshrew: You keep holding payments, send them to me regularly... after a week, I'll give you my financial statement if I have everything paid off, etc and am financially stable to send repay you your loan. How about a 15% overall? So you loan me $560, you'll get $60. So a bit more than 15%. It'll be paid within 2 weeks.
[1/19/2013 9:54:04 PM] Sandshrew: Sound good?
[1/19/2013 9:55:23 PM] Tibit: So am I sending you $560 or $500? D:
[1/19/2013 9:57:01 PM] Sandshrew: $560, is that okay still?
[1/19/2013 9:58:04 PM] Tibit: Yes, so how much would be paid to me and you're saying in 1 week or within 2 weeks?
[1/19/2013 9:58:58 PM] Sandshrew: $620 back to you total for the loan. Within 2 weeks for sure, chance for it to be in 1 week.
[1/19/2013 10:07:29 PM] Tibit: Sent
[1/19/2013 10:11:43 PM] Sandshrew: Thanks soo much, Dylan. I'm so happy to be a new group owner! :)
[1/19/2013 10:12:35 PM] Tibit: Now write up the paragraph about your plans for the group, we'll do it in this news and the next news will be about your group actually being named etc D:
[1/19/2013 10:15:42 PM] Sandshrew: So what do you mean about the plans?
[1/19/2013 10:16:24 PM] Tibit: Just something where I'm going to say: Logic Sold - etc etc etc, the new owners, Sandshrew and x plan on doing x with the group. etc
[1/19/2013 10:17:33 PM] Sandshrew: Okay, I'll have it done by 35 after.
[1/19/2013 10:17:40 PM] Tibit: kk
His PayPal has been limited and he only has ~$230 in it last night.
PokeBoot: Many will say why would he not pay up from the profits from his booter, well I'm his PayPal Holder for it and there is no way he can afford these things through his booter. In the last week of sales he has only made $88.56, minus the 10% fee I charge for holding his payments and the 10+ disputes he has had this week alone.
His Group Is Not Paid For: He still hasn't paid for the group. Here is Hex's message on skype:
[1:33:42 PM] Hexicidal: $2,752 by March 1st, if it is not reached by that date then group ownership is transfered back to me.
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Conclusion: I will keep this thread up until I've been repaid in full. He said that would be around Monday, now he says Tuesday, I don't know what to believe. He's had a good heart in the past, but he's covered up so much to his own partners about how much of the group was paid off and tried to sweep it all under the rug so this will hopefully force him to pay off his debts. I think he took on more than he could handle, I told him I don't like lending money because not many people end up paying back on time, he knew the deadline and I've warned him multiple times this week. I will close this once fully repaid.
More: Another thing, Juicy Booty paid $1,200 LR for co-leader in The Angels, where did that money go? Only $1,000 of The Angels is paid off, $550 of it was from me. The rest from Sandshrew's partner.
(Feb 2, 2013 03:16 PM)Juicy Wrote: Okay, I just want to tell you guys that I had no part in this.
I am very disappointed as well.
I put up over 1k for this group, and I was under the impression that it was fully paid off.
Turns out I have paid more than Sandshrew has, and he officially owns the group.
I am very mad right now. I thought the group was paid off.
TL;DR:
So this is how it's gone so far:
Saturday, Feb 2nd
Sandshrew owed Pheno $1,100 LR.
Sandshrew gets JB to pay $1.2k LR to pay off Sandshrew's Debt to Pheno and tells JB can be co-owner/leader or w/e in The Angels, which he's said was paid off.
Sandshrew asks me for a loan of $550 after giving him $450 from his PokeBoot Profits that month that I was holding as his PP holder for it.
Sandshrew sends that $450 + $550 = $1,000 to Hex as down payment on The Angels.
Sandshrew owes me $620 due to the interest agreed on, defaults on payment, claims to have a plan to pay me back by Monday or Tuesday even though he has only $230 in his LIMITED, Fake Info PayPal.
Sandshrew still owes Hex $2,750 for The Angels by March First.
Sandshrew covered up most of this and didn't tell any of us about the other parts we didn't directly take part in.
Sandshrew is proven to have a multiple account know as xFrawshi.
Sandshrew owes $120 to contest winners he didn't pay out yet.
Sandshrew lied to his partner about sales for PokeBoot.
Says he's too busy to call me, will comment tonight or tomorrow when he feels like it.
Says he'll announce his plan tomorrow. Refuses to comment on many of the questions at the moment.
Lied to all members involved.
The multi account has the same videos, AIM's, Skype, Emails, etc as his real account.
Juicy Booty requested a full repayment from Sandshrew, totaling: $1,250
In total he owes over $5,365 USD.
Sandshrew claims the multi account is his "cousin", admits to proxy selling for a non-upgraded account, which is against the rules.
Sandshrew agrees to pay Juicy Booty $1,250 if he isn't satisfied with Sandshrew's explanation. He said he will pay me back 'possibly' by tomorrow.
He asked members of his group to code him a program to sell to make money.
He did not describe his plan to pay any of us back.
He said he will post about it tomorrow.
Sunday, Feb 3rd
He said his statement will be posted by 1pm Central Standard time on Sunday.
He posted his statement, it shows no details and adds more excuses, it's torn apart by everyone involved.
I've chargedback my payments to him due to him not being able to provide a plan in depth stating how he will actually pay off any of the debts.
Waiting his next statement and his refund of all disputes.
I can vouch for this Deal Dispute. I trust Sandshrew, but I don't want this to becoming something it doesn't have to.
The faster this can be resolved the better for the HackForums community as a whole. He is still in debt with me, but like it has previously be stated, he has until March 1st to pay this debt.
I wish you both the best of luck sorting you issue out, I hope it doesn't come to the point where it will affect me.
Back in my days we used to give out $5 at the most to kids, you on the other hand just threw a whopping $620 and expected to see it back on the deadline given? Leems very segit.
(Feb 2, 2013 12:56 PM)Vinnie Wrote: Back in my days we used to give out $5 at the most to kids, you on the other hand just threw a whopping $620 and expected to see it back on the deadline given? Leems very segit.
Back in the days, ah... I remember, 2005, swing set, Vinnie and I, humming on a Minnesota sunny day, licking lollipops, ahhhh. Those were the times. Leems segit.
(Feb 2, 2013 12:55 PM)Tibit Wrote: I've messaged you, but you've stated you are unable to pay for a few days. Once I've been paid back I'll close this.
The PM on site says that you'll be paid on the 5th, today is the 2nd.
I'm heading out to my aunts shortly, so I won't be able to communicate to on this thread, instead I will text you.
But I don't have to head out for about 45 minutes.
(Feb 2, 2013 12:56 PM)Vinnie Wrote: Back in my days we used to give out $5 at the most to kids, you on the other hand just threw a whopping $620 and expected to see it back on the deadline given? Leems very segit.
I made sure I'm able to get it back if need be, but I had no reason to fear losing the money completely. We shall see what happens. I'm quite sure he will pay it back, but in how long is the issue.
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