[El Chapo Guzman]

This USER is selling already known methods.


This is his THREAD. User gives Bad retaliation rating from him selling public methods.
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User also claims I flamed him on his thread, Well you should not sell public methods.

Here is proof method is public:
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He ignores first question and answers the second. Because this person knows the method...

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I probably can't show much about this other forum this method is public on but here is a screenshot. (I will not discuss other forum... Don't ask.)
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The other forum user gives link to a pdf containing the same method of what this user is Selling and it's sad.

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Forgot to mention OP thinks because I broke his little "TOS", I shouldn't be refunded. Everyone who bought should be refunded.

[telly]

are they the exact same pdf or is it rehashed

[El Chapo Guzman]

are they the exact same pdf or is it rehashed

Not the exact same pdf, but re written. With exact method.

[telly]

Not the exact same pdf, but re written. With exact method.

not really a surprise on HF but it's still a laughable thing to do

[Scottyj01]

The guide you say I copied from is missing a few major components that my guide offers.

You note the date May 24th, you will see that the first payout I show is from April 2020, I've been using this method since around January 2020, I was also never aware of this post you are referring to because I do not use the websites you have taken this from.

In your flaming expedition, you broke 2 terms of service rules, you flamed the product that I am selling and you leaked private messages, the first offense alone would make you ineligible for a refund, but I understood your frustation and confusion and gave you that refund otherwise. All I know, you could be taking advantage of everything I give you in my guide for free, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I wanted to be polite to you, because I respect you for challenging a product's integrity, but I don't see why you choose to be rude and uncivil about this.

See this, if a method is leaked on another forum (not saying that is a leak of my copy, because it isn't), does the seller then say, well time to close my thread. No, the service I provide is unique to the guide you've shown me and I offer a great service with helping out others with my guide to maximise their profits with this method. I do admit, I have seen one thread by another user on another website selling a similar method guide to this but he is selling it at almost double the price of mine and it was posted, maybe 3 weeks ago?

EDIT: The guide you gave me also would lead you to fail the method in question, it does not contain the components I mentioned and will result you in losing the investment money almost certainly, it will also not scale as highly as it would with my techniques I share.

I want to end this on good terms, I do not wish to have negative terms with another user on this forum. You have had your refund and I have discussed this with you on Discord. Thank you, I await your reply if you have any other comments.

[El Chapo Guzman]

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"In your flaming expedition, you broke 2 terms of service rules, you flamed the product that I am selling and you leaked private messages, the first offense alone would make you ineligible for a refund, but I understood your frustation and confusion and gave you that refund otherwise."

I was pretty upset due to the fact that I seen the same method being shared and I come on HF and buy a method hoping it wasn't the same.

"All I know, you could be taking advantage of everything I give you in my guide for free, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt."

This is absolutely false, I've sent you the link to the other forum user's guide. I just bought the product how could I take advantage of anything? I notified you instantly when I have already seen the method... Others on your exact thread ask you questions you ignore.

"See this, if a method is leaked on another forum (not saying that is a leak of my copy, because it isn't), does the seller then say, well time to close my thread. No, the service I provide is unique to the guide you've shown me and I offer a great service with helping out others with my guide to maximise their profits with this method."

No, That's why I looked at the Date of the thread postings. You posted after this was public information. 4 days after.

"I want to end this on good terms, I do not wish to have negative terms with another user on this forum. You have had your refund and I have discussed this with you on Discord. Thank you, I await your reply if you have any other comments."

I don't know what to tell you, I bought a product thinking it was fully private. With that public information out like that, nothing much we can do but it will be saturated quickly.

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"EDIT: The guide you gave me also would lead you to fail the method in question, it does not contain the components I mentioned and will result you in losing the investment money almost certainly, it will also not scale as highly as it would with my techniques I share."

Major components are the exact same, maybe you share little tips of your own. But the big picture is that this is public.

[telly]

"In your flaming expedition, you broke 2 terms of service rules, you flamed the product that I am selling and you leaked private messages, the first offense alone would make you ineligible for a refund, but I understood your frustation and confusion and gave you that refund otherwise."

I was pretty upset due to the fact that I seen the same method being shared and I come on HF and buy a method hoping it wasn't the same.

"All I know, you could be taking advantage of everything I give you in my guide for free, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt."

This is absolutely false, I've sent you the link to the other forum user's guide. I just bought the product how could I take advantage of anything? I notified you instantly when I have already seen the method... Others on your exact thread ask you questions you ignore.

"See this, if a method is leaked on another forum (not saying that is a leak of my copy, because it isn't), does the seller then say, well time to close my thread. No, the service I provide is unique to the guide you've shown me and I offer a great service with helping out others with my guide to maximise their profits with this method."

No, That's why I looked at the Date of the thread postings. You posted after this was public information. 4 days after.

"I want to end this on good terms, I do not wish to have negative terms with another user on this forum. You have had your refund and I have discussed this with you on Discord. Thank you, I await your reply if you have any other comments."

I don't know what to tell you, I bought a product thinking it was fully private. With that public information out like that, nothing much we can do but it will be saturated quickly.

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"EDIT: The guide you gave me also would lead you to fail the method in question, it does not contain the components I mentioned and will result you in losing the investment money almost certainly, it will also not scale as highly as it would with my techniques I share."

Major components are the exact same, maybe you share little tips of your own. But the big picture is that this is public.

"I don't know what to tell you, I bought a product thinking it was fully private. With that public information out like that, nothing much we can do but it will be saturated quickly."

its probably already saturated LMAO

[Scottyj01]

"In your flaming expedition, you broke 2 terms of service rules, you flamed the product that I am selling and you leaked private messages, the first offense alone would make you ineligible for a refund, but I understood your frustation and confusion and gave you that refund otherwise."

I was pretty upset due to the fact that I seen the same method being shared and I come on HF and buy a method hoping it wasn't the same.

It is not the same as the guide you have sent me, similar but not the same, it is missing major components as I said, following that guide will lead you to not much success.

"All I know, you could be taking advantage of everything I give you in my guide for free, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt."

This is absolutely false, I've sent you the link to the other forum user's guide. I just bought the product how could I take advantage of anything? I notified you instantly when I have already seen the method... Others on your exact thread ask you questions you ignore.

You can download the method, redistribute or use it?

"See this, if a method is leaked on another forum (not saying that is a leak of my copy, because it isn't), does the seller then say, well time to close my thread. No, the service I provide is unique to the guide you've shown me and I offer a great service with helping out others with my guide to maximise their profits with this method."

No, That's why I looked at the Date of the thread postings. You posted after this was public information. 4 days after.

So, I got paid in April, then saw that post and 4 days later made a guide about the method I was already profiting from? I don't see the logic here, again I do not use the forum you are talking about either.

"I want to end this on good terms, I do not wish to have negative terms with another user on this forum. You have had your refund and I have discussed this with you on Discord. Thank you, I await your reply if you have any other comments."

I don't know what to tell you, I bought a product thinking it was fully private. With that public information out like that, nothing much we can do but it will be saturated quickly.

Method is not saturated, don't see it being anytime soon. I never declared the product as "fully private", the guide itself is private as it contains techniques and methods on how to not only do the method in question written by me, as well as containing support and mentorship from myself, but also maximise the profits gained from it.

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Major components are the exact same, maybe you share little tips of your own. But the big picture is that this is public.

Not true, that guide you sent is 2 pages long of a raw example of how to do that method, does not contain valuable resources and is used by the OP to sell their music. No where near the same.

[telly]

It is not the same as the guide you have sent me, similar but not the same, it is missing major components as I said, following that guide will lead you to not much success.


You can download the method, redistribute or use it?

So, I got paid in April, then saw that post and 4 days later made a guide about the method I was already profiting from? I don't see the logic here, again I do not use the forum you are talking about either.

Method is not saturated, don't see it being anytime soon. I never declared the product as "fully private", the guide itself is private as it contains techniques and methods on how to not only do the method in question written by me, as well as containing support and mentorship from myself, but also maximise the profits gained from it.

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Not true, that guide you sent is 2 pages long of a raw example of how to do that method, does not contain valuable resources and is used by the OP to sell their music. No where near the same.

would say to let me take a look at both but if its your paid method i don't want you giving out a random vc

[El Chapo Guzman]

would say to let me take a look at both but if its your paid method i don't want you giving out a random vc

Yeah, I would love to have a staff member look at this. If a staff can look at both guides, they would know the Method itself is the same. Of course he added little tips of his own in there. Just because you add your own tips, doesn't make it not the same.

[telly]

Yeah, I would love to have a staff member look at this. If a staff can look at both guides, they would know the Method itself is the same. Of course he added little tips of his own in there. Just because you add your own tips, doesn't make it not the same.

definitely would recommend this

[Scottyj01]

Yeah, I would love to have a staff member look at this. If a staff can look at both guides, they would know the Method itself is the same. Of course he added little tips of his own in there. Just because you add your own tips, doesn't make it not the same.

To be honest, you can look at many of the monetization techniques here on HF, they will be what you are stating here, public information with a spout of a few tips in here, except mine isn't just a few tips, that guide REALLY will not work as well as you may think it would. My guide as it stands, needs to be updated with the few other components I have discovered and forgot to put in, but I have been giving people these techniques on private messages when asked.

Again, I have not violated any rules, you have violated rule(s), my guide is not public and I hope you enjoy your refund.

[El Chapo Guzman]

To be honest, you can look at many of the monetization techniques here on HF, they will be what you are stating here, public information with a spout of a few tips in here, except mine isn't just a few tips, that guide REALLY will not work as well as you may think it would. My guide as it stands, needs to be updated with the few other components I have discovered and forgot to put in, but I have been giving people these techniques on private messages when asked.

Again, I have not violated any rules, you have violated rule(s), my guide is not public and I hope you enjoy your refund.

I have not violated any rules. You think I "Flamed" your thread, when all I did was expose how your method is public.

[Scottyj01]

I have not violated any rules. You think I "Flamed" your thread, when all I did was expose how your method is public.

You've given insufficient evidence to how my method is "public", by the way I see you deleted some of your replies, why may I ask? You have leaked private messages without my consent on a public forum on my thread. Broke terms of service agreements, that is not the only thing you did.

[El Chapo Guzman]

You've given insufficient evidence to how my method is "public", by the way I see you deleted some of your replies, why may I ask? You have leaked private messages without my consent on a public forum on my thread. Broke terms of service agreements, that is not the only thing you did.

Lmao, I broke consent of private messages? Its literally you saying Hello, and what I typed. You are so dramatic its cringe. You said 1 thing in the screenshot.
I deleted and resided with posting DWC on your thread linking this thread.

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Also I can't explicitly prove its public unless I just drop your pdf and compare the public one.