[banonkiel]

(since you can only have 1 [tw] per post, I would rather just put links)


Both sides are blaming each others, when I heard of the news, I searched and searched and apparently nobody had credible source to back the fact Israeli did it.
All the outlets said "Palestinian source blames ..."

While the Israeli response was this
Glad I took a screenshot because I couldn't find THAT again after Israeli's response became "we blame Hamas", I'm sure it didn't just disappear and I'm just having a hard time finding the articles again


Edit: It's fun it says "The Hamas-Run Health Ministry", they don't even recognize Health Minister as "Palestinian" but as "Hamas-Run" to dehumanize them? I guess.
If that's not biased media then idk what is.

But that could mean anything, right? it could be just a tactical response because they want to deny bombing the hospital while providing the facts to back their claim of not doing so.

- @Israel took to twitter with this tweet
https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1714378880713203844

Translation of the on screen-text: "Israeli Air Forces: The Air forces bombed targets that belong to Hezbullah in Lebanon"
Weird "breaking news" to have since I don't believe Israeli Air Forces did any strikes on Lebanon today.


https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/statu...0150597780
I saw this response and I thought it's relevant to add it, it's calling out @Israel for lying and misleading people.
Since the timestamps of the footage don't match the actual bombing timing


- Israeli Spokesperson Hananya Naftali (@HananyaNaftali) tweeted
https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/statu...5326330957

Funny enough, the community note says he earlier tweeted Israeli Air Force DID strike but deleted the tweet.
coincidence? idk but he then made another tweet saying it was false
https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/statu...8991261966

- MSNBC reporter argues Hamas doesn't have the equipment to do such damage from one bomb
https://twitter.com/FahadAmirN/status/17...9520486560

The nail in the coffin for me was this tweet
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1...7305428295




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- Fuck Hamas for starting all this shit.
- Fuck Israel for all the war-crimes the committing and apparently nobody is stopping them anytime soon.

Who did? Israel? Hamas? I don't give a fuck, thousands of innocent people are dying and apparently little to no people care.

[Undead]

Ofcourse this was done by the Israhell. If the Palestinians had access to these kind of weapons, Israelis would be shitting in their beds.

[Sholi]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cygs_jchv...ODBiNWFlZA==

It’s a US JDAM. Nothing a Palestinian resistance group has in its arsenal. You’ve seen their fireworks, they barely make a dent in buildings. This is just sad, there is nowhere for civilians to be safe. They can’t eat, drink, shit, piss or even be treated. This is crazy, people from 2100 will be learning about this in school books.

[Disease]

Waiting on actual third party insight into concluding anything. Preliminary third party reviews are finding a lot of reason to believe this is a failed Hamas missile. There's also credible doubt rising now about the casualty count, given how superficial the damage actually appears to be.

Neither side are going to take responsibility for this. Israel won't as then it'd be admittance they either targeted a civilian hospital or their missile missed an otherwise valid target and hit there instead. Hamas won't, as it's admittance to their incompetency and shoddy equipment; nothing looks worse than friendly fire, especially when the friendly target is a civilian hospital.

[banonkiel]

Waiting on actual third party insight into concluding anything. Preliminary third party reviews are finding a lot of reason to believe this is a failed Hamas missile. There's also credible doubt rising now about the casualty count, given how superficial the damage actually appears to be.

Neither side are going to take responsibility for this. Israel won't as then it'd be admittance they either targeted a civilian hospital or their missile missed an otherwise valid target and hit there instead. Hamas won't, as it's admittance to their incompetency and shoddy equipment; nothing looks worse than friendly fire, especially when the friendly target is a civilian hospital.

I'm interested in the way Israel responded to this so far. "We are investigating"
The odds of a rocket to fail and land on a hospital are astronomical, not eliminating anything but just saying.
The likely-hood that Israel intentionally targeted a hospital is very hard to believe as well.


yet, I need to mention some of their official sources confirmed attacking the hospital first and justified it as "targeting Hamas officials" then all of those statements were pulled back and replaced with "we mistakenly" or "we followed Reuters articles"

[Disease]

I'm interested in the way Israel responded to this so far. "We are investigating"
The odds of a rocket to fail and land on a hospital are astronomical, not eliminating anything but just saying.
The likely-hood that Israel intentionally targeted a hospital is very hard to believe as well.


yet, I need to mention some of their official sources confirmed attacking the hospital first and justified it as "targeting Hamas officials" then all of those statements were pulled back and replaced with "we mistakenly" or "we followed Reuters articles"

When you get as specific as "fail and hit near a hospital" then yes, a failed missile doing that is astronomically long. But a Hamas missile failing in general? Not at all astronomical. Reports from 2022 showed a staggering number of Hamas rockets fell short and struck within Gaza. Once you consider that, the chance a target like a hospital could be hit accidentally increases substantially.

Also, it doesn't appear that the hospital itself was struck. From what I can tell, it struck the road or parking lot around the hospital, destroyed a number of cars, blew out windows, and just caused superficial building damage in general. I would generally think Israel's firing rockets with higher precision than that. And given it's unlikely the ordinance hit its target no matter who fired it, the likelihood that it was a mistake on either side is significant.

[banonkiel]

When you get as specific as "fail and hit near a hospital" then yes, a failed missile doing that is astronomically long. But a Hamas missile failing in general? Not at all astronomical. Reports from 2022 showed a staggering number of Hamas rockets fell short and struck within Gaza. Once you consider that, the chance a target like a hospital could be hit accidentally increases substantially.

Also, it doesn't appear that the hospital itself was struck. From what I can tell, it struck the road or parking lot around the hospital, destroyed a number of cars, blew out windows, and just caused superficial building damage in general. I would generally think Israel's firing rockets with higher precision than that. And given it's unlikely the ordinance hit its target no matter who fired it, the likelihood that it was a mistake on either side is significant.

Too many variables to have a clear image right now.

One thing is certain, can't imagine the feeling of anyone who had loved ones in that hospital.
I can only imagine the pain and suffering they are going through and the feeling that we can do nothing to help them is infuriating.

[Prepper]

So from what I been reading up on since this happened and from video footage, etc it does seem like this was not a Hamas strike, it is likely Israeli.

Also Israel is telling the director of the Al-Quds hospital to evacuate or bear all the consequences and is threatening to bomb it. This hospital has a large amount of women and children seeking shelter.

Attacking hospitals and schools is unacceptable.

[banonkiel]

So from what I been reading up on since this happened and from video footage, etc it does seem like this was not a Hamas strike, it is likely Israeli.

Also Israel is telling the director of the Al-Quds hospital to evacuate or bear all the consequences and is threatening to bomb it. This hospital has a large amount of women and children seeking shelter.

Attacking hospitals and schools is unacceptable.

I have heard about this from my friends and I think read about it once or twice, all I can think is "can someone really be that dumb?"
One of my friends even mentioned they warned the hospital in terms like "evacuate unless you want to end up like the other hospital that got bombed"
Nothing confirmed, but I wonder if I can find couple of sources here or there.


If that's true, then we should applaud to the media on how well they are controlling the narrative and how well they brain-washed the people.

[Prepper]

I have heard about this from my friends and I think read about it once or twice, all I can think is "can someone really be that dumb?"
One of my friends even mentioned they warned the hospital in terms like "evacuate unless you want to end up like the other hospital that got bombed"
Nothing confirmed, but I wonder if I can find couple of sources here or there.


If that's true, then we should applaud to the media on how well they are controlling the narrative and how well they brain-washed the people.

There was already strikes near the hospital the other day.

Israel also struck a greek orthodox church in Gaza as well and at least 18 are dead so far, the church was sheltering hundreds of innocent women, children and elderly.

I originally came out supporting Israel's right to defend itself when Hamas attacked, and yes innocent people will die that is part of war. But to intentionally strike hospitals, churches, mosques and other places where innocent people are sheltering is not acceptable and I cannot support that.

Israeli president already suggested there is no innocent civilians in Gaza suggesting that they are all targets, this is unacceptable.

[Disease]

So from what I been reading up on since this happened and from video footage, etc it does seem like this was not a Hamas strike, it is likely Israeli.

I don't know, everything I'm seeing is still wildly inconclusive. Al Jazeera is calling out Israel on their inconsistencies, which is questionable. French intelligence is claiming they see evidence that points towards it being Hamas. Independent think tanks reviewing footage are either not commenting due to lack of evidence, or centering on the idea that the damage wasn't even an explosion caused by a warhead, but the burning of rocket fuel (without comment on who's rocket it is).

Regardless of who fired the rocket, one thing seems more and more clear- it very likely wasn't a warhead explosion based on the damage (as some think tanks have come out and claimed). Which means the death toll Hamas is claiming is very, very likely fictional too. Which side screwed up and caused damage to this hospital is in the air. But I don't think for a second the casualties caused by this are even remotely what Hamas is claiming it to be.

[banonkiel]

Israeli president already suggested there is no innocent civilians in Gaza suggesting that they are all targets, this is unacceptable.

The narrative has already been decided.
Like literally in the first post you will find a screenshot saying "Hamas-run Minister of Health", they are trying so so so hard to make it like everyone in Gaza is part of Hamas so that nobody will sympathize with them, and even with the effort of a lot of people worldwide to expose the lies and propaganda, a lot of people literally read the news and think "Israel was hit by a terrorist attack and now they are fighting back, good for them"


I feel so sorry for the Palestinians, they stood no chance.
On a positive note though, I heard that the global aid that was stationed in Egypt is finally being allowed into Gaza.
imo that's very little participation from the world to help Gaza but it's something.

[arroncrascall]

rrrr the GOD of peace ALLAH the podophile God of war

[Berrydude]

It was an american rocket, israel even admitted they did it a few minutes after it happened, then deleted all their statements when they decided it would look really bad to bomb a hospital and kill hundreds of innocents, and changed their strategy to lying and saying hamas bombed their own hospital. Even though israel confirms they bomb hospitals all the time, for some reason they just didnt bomb this one supposedly.

[Prepper]

It was an american rocket, israel even admitted they did it a few minutes after it happened, then deleted all their statements when they decided it would look really bad to bomb a hospital and kill hundreds of innocents, and changed their strategy to lying and saying hamas bombed their own hospital. Even though israel confirms they bomb hospitals all the time, for some reason they just didnt bomb this one supposedly.

The USA did not fire a rocket so you need to be careful without you word that otherwise it ends up causing more confusion. Israel has American made rockets, but it would still be an Israeli rocket if they fired it.

I did see those supposed statements but only in screenshot form, obviously there is no way to verify with 100% certainty those were genuine statements due to only being screen shots but it still adds on to the various other evidences suggesting it was an Israeli rocket.