[Maur0]

Hey, I saw a lot of people discussing about these 2 loaders, and a lot of people saying that Amadey is the best. But my question, why amadey is the best loader? I mean, there are a lot of loaders here, xloader, blue loader and much more on other forums. What it makes so special the Amadey? (I have to say that I am not on exploit.in, so i cant see the feauters) And same with smoke loader

[Maur0]

Because bots like "Amadey" do not need NET dependencies, they can execute from windows XP perfectly fine.

Oh alrg

[slezer]

These loaders are popular because they have been around for the longest times on the biggest Russian cybercrime forums. It's also good to note they're coded in native programming languages which avoids relying on dependencies to work.

I would strongly recommend against purchasing a loader from HF.

[Maur0]

These loaders are popular because they have been around for the longest times on the biggest Russian cybercrime forums. It's also good to note they're coded in native programming languages which avoids relying on dependencies to work.

I would strongly recommend against purchasing a loader from HF.

I mean depends, if you are targeting just some randomn gaming pcs, and you have a low budget, you dont give a shit if you loss some targets, since not all computers have .NET installed. BUT, if you are targeting a company, you strongly need a native malware, since u only have one change to infect them, and you want a 100% succes rate.
What I have hearing from other people, they sayed that smoke and amadey are expensive, horever, for a biggener a .net malware isnt bad, but if you want to grow your botnet, obviusly a native malware is better.

[xloader]

I mean depends, if you are targeting just some randomn gaming pcs, and you have a low budget, you dont give a shit if you loss some targets, since not all computers have .NET installed. BUT, if you are targeting a company, you strongly need a native malware, since u only have one change to infect them, and you want a 100% succes rate.
What I have hearing from other people, they sayed that smoke and amadey are expensive, horever, for a biggener a .net malware isnt bad, but if you want to grow your botnet, obviusly a native malware is better.

Disregard the hype and assumptions (Russian coders!, ex-USSR!, Anti CIS Region code, They are the best malware) BS!

Xloader is more native than both Smoke and Amadey; both of them download nss and a bunch of crappy DLL/dependencies from their C2, while xloader doesn't!

Xloader is a bug-out bag kind of malware with no dependencies!

In fact, xloader is even more popular than both Smoke and Amadey combined!

https://any.run/

[Maur0]

Disregard the hype and assumptions (Russian coders!, ex-USSR!, Anti CIS Region code, They are the best malware) BS!

Xloader is more native than both Smoke and Amadey; both of them download nss and a bunch of crappy DLL/dependencies from their C2, while xloader doesn't!

Xloader is a bug-out bag kind of malware with no dependencies!

In fact, xloader is even more popular than both Smoke and Amadey combined!

https://any.run/

I thought ur loader was coded on .net, now I rechecked the thread and I saw that is native, probably gonna buy it on future

[Binance]

Disregard the hype and assumptions (Russian coders!, ex-USSR!, Anti CIS Region code, They are the best malware) BS!

Xloader is more native than both Smoke and Amadey; both of them download nss and a bunch of crappy DLL/dependencies from their C2, while xloader doesn't!

Xloader is a bug-out bag kind of malware with no dependencies!

In fact, xloader is even more popular than both Smoke and Amadey combined!

https://any.run/

dang man thats how u sellllllllllllllllllllllllll

yes.
i wish some other sellers would take notice instead of saying "just check my sig" or link thread lol

[north0]

First reason is discontinuation of seroxen, theres around 300 people looking for a better alternative and the name amadey loader got around the community fast thats why people started buying it and second reason is it got lifetime, this community is filled with retards and they will buy anything thats a "lifetime" even tho it reaches its eol year later, i swear those people would buy a loader that costs 2k$ lifetime only because its lifetime not even a joke

[north0]

Do you have mental problems? Smoke has been in the malware market for 5+ years, what is even seroxen crap you talking about? Some garbage that is written in NET? lmao. How can you even compare.

Dude you do realize i never have mentioned smoke and second seroxen was actualy good anyone that took a good look at it knows it was decent for its price, now pipe down lil kiddie before i flex on you my 5 bytes💀

edit: Also when did i compare it because i read it 8 times and i don't see the part i compared it, i've only said that seroxen reached its eol and theres lots of kids without a software, ain't no way doug that ur not a troll

[xloader]

There is a difference between lifetime on these products on HF and amadey. There is no EOL for these programs, it is just the binary and cnc.

Well, I don't see much difference, though. What I've learned about this so-called lifetime malware is that without access to the builder (whether legitimate or cracked), the product essentially reaches its end of life (EOL) when the author disappears (like with Zeus, Andromeda, etc.). The active C2 domains and servers are usually taken down sooner or later.

[north0]

300 customers is nothing thinking about amadeys and smokes lifespan, so that isn't the reason they are historically popular, it's because of their widespread usage that they developed their names as the "most used loaders" or "most popular", even if this isn't the case.

There is a difference between lifetime on these products on HF and amadey. There is no EOL for these programs, it is just the binary and cnc.

I think if you said recently, it was because of seroxen discontinuing, that would make more sense to that user, instead it sounds like you think amadey is popular at all because of the end of seroxen.

You completely got my point wrong probably because of my trash explanation but you did correct me on what i meant so here it is i guess

[thisisfoz]

Disregard the hype and assumptions (Russian coders!, ex-USSR!, Anti CIS Region code, They are the best malware) BS!

Xloader is more native than both Smoke and Amadey; both of them download nss and a bunch of crappy DLL/dependencies from their C2, while xloader doesn't!

Xloader is a bug-out bag kind of malware with no dependencies!

In fact, xloader is even more popular than both Smoke and Amadey combined!

way back trojanforge .. i thought smoke was already on the scene before you came up with formbook ?

[xloader]

way back trojanforge.. i thought smoke was already on the scene before you came up with formbook ?

Yes, Smoke came before FormBook. I never said otherwise.

Smoke - 2011.
Formbook - 2015.
Amadey - 2018.
Xloader - 2019.

I didn't come up with FormBook! I never said I did.

I believe that tow guy (The Old Warrior) crack killed BetaBot after he cracked Andromeda, hence the survival of Smoke.

[Binance]

I believe that tow guy (The Old Warrior) crack killed BetaBot after he cracked Andromeda, hence the survival of Smoke.

You have deep knowledge ... another name for OldW was H3llb0y who also crack zeus botnet (2011 variant)

[thisisfoz]

You have deep knowledge ... another name for OldW was H3llb0y who also crack zeus botnet (2011 variant)

where did this group of people go ? xs.. ?
i truly miss them. till now i cant find the Phase Botnet files .. what a good boy we miss