[NERO]

Speaking about the closure - KJ should just do some deep chain analysis and find evidence that the funds received were BH and boom. Debts wiped, case closed. 👀

Please say that's a joke?

Imagine you was in OP's shoes, Yes there seems to be a witch hunt. I've commented with a question which was answered and didn't feel qualified to continue to post as it wouldn't contribute to the progression of this dispute nor would any further comments from myself lead to the OP receiving his funds back sooner, But so many people are commenting and he would just be seeing all this mess unfold. He's gonna be worried like hell.

This isn't just aimed at you, I hope everyone who reads this takes it in.

Why are we commenting?

Break it down to the facts:
KJ hasn't ran away, He has said he has no intention of doing so.
KJ has a outstanding record onsite and as such should be granted some goodwill
KJ has moved funds from a cold wallet to an exchange without permission (I have nothing personally against him) but he must have had a real bad retard moment right there. Especially when there was stipulations directly addressing this issue and indicating it should never have been done. This will damage his reputation.
KJ has already paid out some funds back to the OP, He still has Hooper left to payout.
KJ is waiting for the account unlock but has only provided 1 screenshot of a login page, Which has sketched both parties out, Even if he didn't want to post it here, He should 100% show himself trying to access the funds on discord or some shit and prove the funds was sent to that account. We don't need 100% transparency, They do however.

This has become a battleground for groups, People who think Zeus is just here to cause drama and others who want to throw their dicks into the ring.
Completely pointless and doesn't help the dispute.

KJ, Hooper and the OP can discuss this privately.

If KJ was going to scam then we would know because this would still be open over the coming month etc, The parties involved would have no proof of any litigation and there would be no transparency.

Let's see how that goes first before jumping to conclusions.

So many people on here swing their dicks about bragging how much they make but your all acting like 5 year olds. Grow up ffs.

[Dorrance]

-Snip

I am still going to state the disputed party need to changed to KJ...

I swear he should of got an email or something from Gemini... but ehh maybe not.

I am a person who plans for any outcome so a contingency plan or agreement would be easier to bare for OP.

[Mark Ronson]

I am still going to state the disputed party need to changed to KJ...

I swear he should of got an email or something from Gemini... but ehh maybe not.

I am a person who plans for any outcome so a contingency plan or agreement would be easier to bare for OP.

I can't believe there isn't still the option to dispute the middleman... I'll keep saying it forever, MMs can SCAM or just be wrongdoers especially when big bucks are handled... This dispute is a good example

[NERO]

I am still going to state the disputed party need to changed to KJ...

I swear he should of got an email or something from Gemini... but ehh maybe not.

I am a person who plans for any outcome so a contingency plan or agreement would be easier to bare for OP.

I agree, These are all issues of contention. Hugely so.

However it's pointless everyone jumping on "Before" a scam has taken place. I think he would have to leave and not reply etc for it to be classified as such.

Completely agree with your third point too <3

[Forensic]

I am still going to state the disputed party need to changed to KJ...

I swear he should of got an email or something from Gemini... but ehh maybe not.

I am a person who plans for any outcome so a contingency plan or agreement would be easier to bare for OP.

I doubt his intention was to scam or steal funds but it's more likely he moved funds/spent/tried to make money on btc surge than his actual story. Now he probably needs to raise the funds. He could be telling the truth but the fact he didn't show OP any proof suggests probably not.

[Cooldudex]

Curious to hear if anything has happened with this

[Grizzlies]

There’s no way KJ would do that. All it really is at this point is the waiting on those funds to be released from the exchange. But there’s no way in hell KJ would bounce out.

[Grim]

I can't believe there isn't still the option to dispute the middleman... I'll keep saying it forever, MMs can SCAM or just be wrongdoers especially when big bucks are handled... This dispute is a good example

Agree 100%. Also not accusing KJ of anything but MM scams are one of the most popular across many other forums as well one of the most common.

[BloodCyka]

Curious to hear if anything has happened with this

haven't heard from KJ since last week, a couple of days after I opened this thread, funds haven't been released to me neither he has offered any payment plans so far, last we spoke I asked him to get legal counsel and get back to me

[Cooldudex]

haven't heard from KJ since last week, a couple of days after I opened this thread, funds haven't been released to me neither he has offered any payment plans so far, last we spoke I asked him to get legal counsel and get back to me

Sorry man. Know you lost a shit ton of money due to this outside of the money that was "locked away". Sucks it was due to a mistake that an amateur would make. Hope it works out for you

[Zeus]

haven't heard from KJ since last week, a couple of days after I opened this thread, funds haven't been released to me neither he has offered any payment plans so far, last we spoke I asked him to get legal counsel and get back to me

This is why i asked him to respond on what would happen if he was unable to get the funds and dodging most questions.

[BloodCyka]

UPDATE:

As per KJ request,

A week went by without any updates; the last update I received from KJ was just after I dm'd him yesterday. His answer still vague and he still haven't provided anyone with actual evidence besides that screenshot and his word that he is working with legal counsel to get the funds "sorted" according to my lawyer, this is what Gemini ToS and U.S Laws say about his claims.


GEMINI ToS:

You agree and understand that we have the right to immediately (i) suspend your account and all accounts beneficially owned by you and any members of your household or for which you are a representative or authorized signatory and, in the case of entities, any affiliates (each, a "Related Account"), (ii) freeze/lock the funds and assets in all such accounts, and (iii) suspend your access to Gemini, until a determination has been made, if we suspect, in our sole discretion, you and/or any such accounts to be in violation of:
Any provision of this User Agreement; Any Applicable Laws or Regulations; Our BSA/AML Program; or Our Marketplace Conduct Rules, at any time since the opening of such account or Related Account (each, a "Conduct Violation").
You further agree and understand that we have the right to immediately (i) suspend your account and any Related Account, (ii) freeze/lock the funds and assets in all such accounts, and (iii) suspend your access to Gemini until a determination has been made, if:
We are required to do so by a regulatory authority, court order, facially valid subpoena, or binding order of a government authority; The account is, or is related to any account that is, subject to any pending litigation, investigation, or governmental proceeding; The account has a negative balance for any reason; The account has a balance that needs to be reconciled for any reason; Your ACH deposit was returned to your bank; We believe someone is attempting to gain unauthorized access to the account; We believe there is unusual activity in the account; We believe you are using Gemini, your login credentials, or other account information in an unauthorized or inappropriate manner; or The account has not been accessed in two years or more. If your account has been suspended, you will be notified when accessing Gemini. We may, in our sole discretion, give Written Notice that your account has been suspended and may, in our sole discretion, disclose the reasons for suspension, if permitted to do so by law.

And according to us fourth amendment The Constitution, through the Fourth Amendment, protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law, which means you have to get NOTIFIED if your assets are being SEIZED.

This means in order for an account to be locked and funds to seized in the way KJ described, there needs to be a criminal investigation by the U.S Government (otherwise, his and everyone involved in this issue 14th amendment rights are being violated) and he had to get notified of said procedures which he already confirmed that's not the case AT LEAST not to his KNOWLEDGE, and I would have the right by just providing proofs of where the funds came from to show the government that the funds which I'm even paying taxes for are mine.

But as I stated and Hooper stated, no evidence of Gemini legal procedures or KJ legal procedures had been provided to me or any of the other affected parties involved in this.

The online "evidence" I have is a screenshot and hearsay from KJ; he just said again that he would talk with his lawyer and that this week I would be hearing from him again after he asks all these questions to his legal counsel, Just stating FACTS because KJ feels he is not being treated fairly after the last message I sent here.

[Zeus]

UPDATE:

As per KJ request,

A week went by without any updates; the last update I received from KJ was just after I dm'd him yesterday. His answer still vague and he still haven't provided anyone with actual evidence besides that screenshot and his word that he is working with legal counsel to get the funds "sorted" according to my lawyer, this is what Gemini ToS and U.S Laws say about his claims.


GEMINI ToS:

You agree and understand that we have the right to immediately (i) suspend your account and all accounts beneficially owned by you and any members of your household or for which you are a representative or authorized signatory and, in the case of entities, any affiliates (each, a "Related Account"), (ii) freeze/lock the funds and assets in all such accounts, and (iii) suspend your access to Gemini, until a determination has been made, if we suspect, in our sole discretion, you and/or any such accounts to be in violation of:
Any provision of this User Agreement; Any Applicable Laws or Regulations; Our BSA/AML Program; or Our Marketplace Conduct Rules, at any time since the opening of such account or Related Account (each, a "Conduct Violation").
You further agree and understand that we have the right to immediately (i) suspend your account and any Related Account, (ii) freeze/lock the funds and assets in all such accounts, and (iii) suspend your access to Gemini until a determination has been made, if:
We are required to do so by a regulatory authority, court order, facially valid subpoena, or binding order of a government authority; The account is, or is related to any account that is, subject to any pending litigation, investigation, or governmental proceeding; The account has a negative balance for any reason; The account has a balance that needs to be reconciled for any reason; Your ACH deposit was returned to your bank; We believe someone is attempting to gain unauthorized access to the account; We believe there is unusual activity in the account; We believe you are using Gemini, your login credentials, or other account information in an unauthorized or inappropriate manner; or The account has not been accessed in two years or more. If your account has been suspended, you will be notified when accessing Gemini. We may, in our sole discretion, give Written Notice that your account has been suspended and may, in our sole discretion, disclose the reasons for suspension, if permitted to do so by law.

And according to us fourth amendment The Constitution, through the Fourth Amendment, protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government.  The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law, which means you have to get NOTIFIED if your assets are being SEIZED.

This means in order for an account to be locked and funds to seized in the way KJ described, there needs to be a criminal investigation by the U.S Government (otherwise, his and everyone involved in this issue 14th amendment rights are being violated) and he had to get notified of said procedures which he already confirmed that's not the case AT LEAST not to his KNOWLEDGE, and I would have the right by just providing proofs of where the funds came from to show the government that the funds which I'm even paying taxes for are mine.

But as I stated and Hooper stated, no evidence of Gemini legal procedures or KJ legal procedures had been provided to me or any of the other affected parties involved in this.

The online "evidence" I have is a screenshot and hearsay from KJ; he just said again that he would talk with his lawyer and that this week I would be hearing from him again after he asks all these questions to his legal counsel, Just stating FACTS because KJ feels he is not being treated fairly after the last message I sent here.

As stated before buddy, Gemini most probably have to give the information of the transaction if they think its bad funds. Of the exact transaction and information.
Anything Kill Joy says just dosen't add up in my eyes.

[Grim]

The online "evidence" I have is a screenshot and hearsay from KJ; he just said again that he would talk with his lawyer and that this week I would be hearing from him again after he asks all these questions to his legal counsel, Just stating FACTS because KJ feels he is not being treated fairly after the last message I sent here.

Well weather he is being treated fairly isn’t really a question. He was a MM for a deal you had and now you deserve your money back. Pretty plain and simple it seems like. How he gets you your funds back seems like it’s his issue and shouldn’t be your problem.

[N]

UPDATE:

As per KJ request,

A week went by without any updates; the last update I received from KJ was just after I dm'd him yesterday. His answer still vague and he still haven't provided anyone with actual evidence besides that screenshot and his word that he is working with legal counsel to get the funds "sorted" according to my lawyer, this is what Gemini ToS and U.S Laws say about his claims.


GEMINI ToS:

You agree and understand that we have the right to immediately (i) suspend your account and all accounts beneficially owned by you and any members of your household or for which you are a representative or authorized signatory and, in the case of entities, any affiliates (each, a "Related Account"), (ii) freeze/lock the funds and assets in all such accounts, and (iii) suspend your access to Gemini, until a determination has been made, if we suspect, in our sole discretion, you and/or any such accounts to be in violation of:
Any provision of this User Agreement; Any Applicable Laws or Regulations; Our BSA/AML Program; or Our Marketplace Conduct Rules, at any time since the opening of such account or Related Account (each, a "Conduct Violation").
You further agree and understand that we have the right to immediately (i) suspend your account and any Related Account, (ii) freeze/lock the funds and assets in all such accounts, and (iii) suspend your access to Gemini until a determination has been made, if:
We are required to do so by a regulatory authority, court order, facially valid subpoena, or binding order of a government authority; The account is, or is related to any account that is, subject to any pending litigation, investigation, or governmental proceeding; The account has a negative balance for any reason; The account has a balance that needs to be reconciled for any reason; Your ACH deposit was returned to your bank; We believe someone is attempting to gain unauthorized access to the account; We believe there is unusual activity in the account; We believe you are using Gemini, your login credentials, or other account information in an unauthorized or inappropriate manner; or The account has not been accessed in two years or more. If your account has been suspended, you will be notified when accessing Gemini. We may, in our sole discretion, give Written Notice that your account has been suspended and may, in our sole discretion, disclose the reasons for suspension, if permitted to do so by law.

And according to us fourth amendment The Constitution, through the Fourth Amendment, protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government.  The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law, which means you have to get NOTIFIED if your assets are being SEIZED.

This means in order for an account to be locked and funds to seized in the way KJ described, there needs to be a criminal investigation by the U.S Government (otherwise, his and everyone involved in this issue 14th amendment rights are being violated) and he had to get notified of said procedures which he already confirmed that's not the case AT LEAST not to his KNOWLEDGE, and I would have the right by just providing proofs of where the funds came from to show the government that the funds which I'm even paying taxes for are mine.

But as I stated and Hooper stated, no evidence of Gemini legal procedures or KJ legal procedures had been provided to me or any of the other affected parties involved in this.

The online "evidence" I have is a screenshot and hearsay from KJ; he just said again that he would talk with his lawyer and that this week I would be hearing from him again after he asks all these questions to his legal counsel, Just stating FACTS because KJ feels he is not being treated fairly after the last message I sent here.

I said this from the start. Surprisingly there is still a lot of dumbasses on here who believe peoples funds can get seized like that without criminal activity or government seizures and not released fairly quickly.