[BloodCyka]

Contract Link: https://hackforums.net/contracts.php?act...cid=216180
Disputed Member: https://hackforums.net/member.php?action...id=2146865

Back in September 2020, I hired @hooper PR Services; the contract was 9K USD, but we needed a middleman since we have never dealt with each other since both @hooper and I knew KJ from on-site, and we also had past deals with him, so it was decided to use his middleman services, after opening this contract KJ stated that he would take the 9k in a wire transfer as stated, so we all agreed after that in a discord group that the way to go for this contract was BTC.

Receipts:
https://imgur.com/7ro1XcS @KJ states that after our contract on-site was for a wire, @KJ won't receive anything that's not BTC.

https://imgur.com/XpTHqUA here, everyone agrees to BTC, but I tell everyone involved it would take some time for me to get the funds to BTC

https://imgur.com/kET7mb4 KJ states that the transaction will never be linked to FIAT or any of his bank accounts since he never does that or will ever do it.

https://imgur.com/Qvb2OMH Contract terms stated and agreed upon everyone that the payment would always be in BTC and never FIAT.

KJ gave me a site where I could get the bitcoin from, as you can see on the receipts area of this dispute, and I tried to get an entire bitcoin to finance the whole deal; the site KJ gave me so I could ez buy all the BTC hold onto my funds cause it was a wire, and they wanted to see where was the money coming from since it took them too long, and I ended up getting the bitcoin from different sources including Coinbase since my limit was stupidly low it took me a while to be able to fund the whole transaction about 2 or 3 weeks, but I was finally able instead of an entire bitcoin it went down to .85 BTC.

Everything was fine; after that, the deal started around October @Hooper asked for three cycles of 30 days, but he ended up needing more time to deliver. I didn't want to wait, and we both agreed upon a full refund, and KJ then said he didn't have them; his accounts in Gemini and other exchanges were suddenly closed after he traded with someone on-site that had blackhat bitcoin.

I sent 0.44779094 BTC to this address first on  — 09/29/2020 and then around .20 more the following week.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1...mxMCWLQrUd

on — 10/03/2020, KJ informed @hooper and me he would move my funds to another wallet and that I should just send the money there and I did this is the wallet address:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1...7WryBycnXu

Receipts:
https://i.imgur.com/UiLUypO.png
https://imgur.com/Zx8Ask1

well, after the transaction happened, the time passed, and well as I already said, @hooper and I agreed upon a full refund, that was a month and a half ago, and the only money I received from KJ was the first part of the payment he said he would send the rest in 7 days but he couldn't, and that was a month ago

So, I'm opening a dispute on my middleman and no on @hooper, so it is out in the public that I haven't received any funds from him besides the first payment he sent, and I'm still waiting for him to pay.

Receipt:
https://i.imgur.com/xIWHtZ0.png

EDIT 1: Adding a quote cause I got a shitload of dms and I just read the thread now

I don't know why everyone is like going against each other in this thread, so since everyone has an opinion and most people didn't bother on reading the thread I will lay out some facts

1) The contract was set up for a WIRE, but as everyone knows contracts can change if all parts agree upon said change you just add a clause and that's it, and that's what we did when everyone involved agreed upon the transaction being move from FIAT to BTC.

2) As stated in 1 since there's a whole discussion over it the amount owed is in BITCOIN

3) Someone is asking for hard proof on page 2 of this thread and I must say that I find it unnecessary, discord SS are more than enough when everyone involved is in this thread already agreeing to the claims I made.

4) I understand KJ position on all this, but number one I never asked him to move the funds from the cold wallet he set up to an exchange and he didn't even notify me or @hooper that he was doing that in December 3 months into the transaction when he was the first one that said that IF he ever needed to move the funds he would let us know FIRST; just like he did the first time when he changed cold wallets.

Last but not least, I opened this thread cause I needed it not to have drama going on, also I tried to come to an agreement with KJ but the terms weren't fulfilled on his side so I'm just waiting on him to find whatever solution he can find, and I'm not going to answer to anyone via dms, all the information is stated on this thread

EDIT 2: Adding another quote to clarify the situation even more

There's been a lot of speculation on this thread, and I don't know why everything is pretty straightforward; KJ owes me 0.82 BTC. He paid 0.24~ we tried to settle he didn't fulfill his part of the deal on said settlement which implied he had to pay an amount we both agree on that day. He asked for seven more days because he was buying the Bitcoin via Coinbase. 11 days passed, and I confronted him. When confronted, he said he didn't have the funds to settle.

KJ informed me yesterday, after we spent a month without a single message exchange between us, that he got legal counseling to help with his Gemini situation.

KJ AND I are on NO payment plans. There's no solution to this issue as of today. He has only paid .24~ BTC so far using Coinbase, from what he told me. I need the funds to be refunded back to me. That's it, that's all I'm asking.

As Hooper states, the only evidence I got so far from KJ was that Screenshot, but I don't care about him moving the funds to Gemini or whatever; I just want the funds he was holding released to me. I was never asked or even notified either when Kill Joy decided to move those funds, I've known KJ for a while and never had any problems with him until now, and I just want my funds to be released back to me, the liability of him moving the funds goes completely to him.

The only thing I want from this is to put that on the record that I don't have the funds that all funds are being held by KJ, and all liability of said funds should go to him if he doesn't release those to me; I want a solution to this issue, but I don't have any I'm just being told that I have to wait to him to find a solution we are talking of a substantial amount of money and the only person suffering consequences for someone else's action is ME.

EDIT 3: Stating Facts after the first week of this thread being open 2 months after the dispute started.

UPDATE:

As per KJ request,

A week went by without any updates; the last update I received from KJ was just after I dm'd him yesterday. His answer still vague and he still haven't provided anyone with actual evidence besides that screenshot and his word that he is working with legal counsel to get the funds "sorted" according to my lawyer, this is what Gemini ToS and U.S Laws say about his claims.


GEMINI ToS:

You agree and understand that we have the right to immediately (i) suspend your account and all accounts beneficially owned by you and any members of your household or for which you are a representative or authorized signatory and, in the case of entities, any affiliates (each, a "Related Account"), (ii) freeze/lock the funds and assets in all such accounts, and (iii) suspend your access to Gemini, until a determination has been made, if we suspect, in our sole discretion, you and/or any such accounts to be in violation of:
Any provision of this User Agreement; Any Applicable Laws or Regulations; Our BSA/AML Program; or Our Marketplace Conduct Rules, at any time since the opening of such account or Related Account (each, a "Conduct Violation").
You further agree and understand that we have the right to immediately (i) suspend your account and any Related Account, (ii) freeze/lock the funds and assets in all such accounts, and (iii) suspend your access to Gemini until a determination has been made, if:
We are required to do so by a regulatory authority, court order, facially valid subpoena, or binding order of a government authority; The account is, or is related to any account that is, subject to any pending litigation, investigation, or governmental proceeding; The account has a negative balance for any reason; The account has a balance that needs to be reconciled for any reason; Your ACH deposit was returned to your bank; We believe someone is attempting to gain unauthorized access to the account; We believe there is unusual activity in the account; We believe you are using Gemini, your login credentials, or other account information in an unauthorized or inappropriate manner; or The account has not been accessed in two years or more. If your account has been suspended, you will be notified when accessing Gemini. We may, in our sole discretion, give Written Notice that your account has been suspended and may, in our sole discretion, disclose the reasons for suspension, if permitted to do so by law.

And according to us fourth amendment The Constitution, through the Fourth Amendment, protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government.  The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law, which means you have to get NOTIFIED if your assets are being SEIZED.

This means in order for an account to be locked and funds to seized in the way KJ described, there needs to be a criminal investigation by the U.S Government (otherwise, his and everyone involved in this issue 14th amendment rights are being violated) and he had to get notified of said procedures which he already confirmed that's not the case AT LEAST not to his KNOWLEDGE, and I would have the right by just providing proofs of where the funds came from to show the government that the funds which I'm even paying taxes for are mine.

But as I stated and Hooper stated, no evidence of Gemini legal procedures or KJ legal procedures had been provided to me or any of the other affected parties involved in this.

The online "evidence" I have is a screenshot and hearsay from KJ; he just said again that he would talk with his lawyer and that this week I would be hearing from him again after he asks all these questions to his legal counsel, Just stating FACTS because KJ feels he is not being treated fairly after the last message I sent here.

[Dorrance]

New feature? MM gets a deal dispute opened as well?

[spiral]

How much does KJ owe you?

[Dorrance]

How much does KJ owe you?

Kill Joy I’m only tagging cause nobody tagged you bud.

[Zeus]

Yikes Kill Joy seems a bit sus bro, but everyone has 2 sides of a story lets hear it.

[Kill Joy]

There’s a lot going and it’s being worked on.

[Forensic]

Hopefully, you get your money back I doubt this guy needs to scam.

[Zeus]

There’s a lot going and it’s being worked on.

Not being pushy but helping you in a way maybe coming up with a solution to this and telling everyone here, so you can't go back against your word in the future.
Anything better than that response 0.85BTC is alot of money. <3

[Kill Joy]

Not being pushy but helping you in a way maybe coming up with a solution to this and telling everyone here, so you can't go back against your word in the future.
Anything better than that response $9k is alot of money. <3

Hooper and Bloodcyka have been communicated with already. Bloodcyka posted this as a formality.

[Zeus]

Hooper and Bloodcyka have been communicated with already. Bloodcyka posted this as a formality.

Ah okay fairplay, hopefully this gets resolved.
$44k alot of $

[Zexi]

Can't believe this actually happened again after the Cooligan's drama.
If you guys agreed on him holding the BTC Value the whole 40k + should be yours. At least that's how i would do it, you receive 1BTC, you release 1BTC regardless of the price.

Hope you guys resolve this.

[BloodCyka]

New feature? MM gets a deal dispute opened as well?

he sent 0.24837015 out of the 0.81224141 BTC from the wallet we used to fund the transaction which is this one

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1...7WryBycnXu

we came to a payment agreement but he didn't fulfill his part, so back to square one

looking for solutions not attacking anyone in particular

[Zeus]

he sent 0.24837015 out of the 0.81224141 BTC from the wallet we used to fund the transaction which is this one

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1...7WryBycnXu

we came to a payment agreement but he didn't fulfill his part, so back to square one

looking for solutions not attacking anyone in particular

Kill Joy this is why i'm telling you to come up with a solution here so you can't go back on your word and everyone can see.
The OP isn't too sure what to think right now and i dont blame him.

[Lavish Living]

No doubt KJ will resolve this. I know his situation and it’s very unfortunate... really out of his control. Hope it gets resolved quicker rather than later, for all parties involved.

[Kill Joy]

Kill Joy this is why i'm telling you to come up with a solution here so you can't go back on your word and everyone can see.
The OP isn't too sure what to think right now and i dont blame him.

There are some legal things happening on my end with the part where he mentioned account closures. Hooper and him have already been communicated as I said. That’s all I’m commenting on.