[Livewire]

I'd you can come up with a sound explanation of why humans have free will, I'll pay you $500.

[Livewire]

Humans have free because it's part of the process of learning. You need to be able to make your own decisions to push you down a path
you have chosen.  You can create new paths too that was never there to begin with.

What are you going thru? Are you having a bad day or something? Just curious from all the threads you made recently.
I say cheer up..

I am but this is something I always carry.

Free will exists only in the moment, and that'd what people mistake for free will. Free will is not you choosing between options available to you. Free will would be able to directly influence the options you have available. We can't do that.

[Net]

Free will would be able to directly influence the options you have available. We can't do that.

No it wouldn't. Free will = you can choose any option you would like. You can't choose what consequences there will be however.

I could punch the president if I would have the option. That would be my free will. However there would be consequences, good or bad (in this case bad).

[Livewire]

Why can't you do that?  Like said before  paths aka options. You can create new options without having them in the first place.

For example  most people look for a job to work at and most say well the only option is finding a job and work there for a couple of years.
Most would say starting a business is not an option because it costs money. This isn't true because you can get people that have money to create a business that you can run and make them money. This would mean you created your own job. Where it was never an option to begin with until you had the idea to execute it.

Okay, my point exactly.
You laid out options you can do. It's like saying why can't I create a new sound. I can only create a sound using the sounds I already know. Anything I create will only be a product of what I already know.

What I already know is severely influenced by perceiving the world and taking in stimuli. We lack the ability to filter stimuli, or the effect it has on our understanding of the world.

Humans are creatures of habit. We are only able to exist as a compiled being. We can not undo introduction, we can only build past it, but building past something has a compound effect.

[PxPxPx]

I'd you can come up with a sound explanation of why humans have free will, I'll pay you $500.

Look around you, find a sharp object, now something i can't say that would make you not have a heartbeat

That's free will


Edit: i didn't see the replies before making this i didnt hint at anything

My point still stands if anything is free will thats it

[Livewire]

Look around you, find a sharp object, now something i can't say that would make you not have a heartbeat

That's free will


Edit: i didn't see the replies before making this i didnt hint at anything

My point still stands if anything is free will thats it

What if I had an accident years ago that left me paralyzed? That's a simple way of explaining it. I wouldn't be able to do anything with a sharp object.

Everything becomes relative.

[PxPxPx]

What if I had an accident years ago that left me paralyzed? That's a simple way of explaining it. I wouldn't be able to do anything with a sharp object.

What if I'm born dead that's not free will

Of course there can be prerequisites but you said humans as in a whole

[Livewire]

What if I'm born dead that's not free will

Or course there can be prerequisites but you said humans as in a whole

Yes. We can not filter perception. I can say the word ice cream right now, and that very simple action will have an influence on you. Sure, you can day you chose to read it, but you are only acting based on prior actions.

[Eran]

Of course we have free will. As an individual operating your own consciousness, you and only you have the ultimate power over all your decisions and actions. Some choices we make or may have to make might be influenced by other people's actions, your past, your environment, the law... however, the mind is a force so complex and powerful and in the end you have the free will to do anything you desire for.

[vegetajgd]

Okay, my point exactly.
You laid out options you can do. It's like saying why can't  I create a new sound. I can only create a sound using the sounds I already know. Anything I create will only be a product of what I already know.

What I already know is severely influenced by perceiving the world and taking in stimuli. We lack the ability to filter stimuli, or the effect it has on our understanding of the world.

Humans are creatures of habit. We are only able to exist as a compiled being. We can not undo introduction, we can only build past it, but building past something has a compound effect.

Here i think you went in to something else. And if you go this way you will never be able to as knowing everything in the world is not possible period.

And on the topic of free will. You know apart from humans no one else has the capacity to come out of its impressions of the body they have come in. Only humans you will find doing stuff or making stuff which no other creature on this planet could or would.

I feel humans are a combination of free will and destiny(in India you call it karma) - Even karma can be influenced to a certain extent but somethings you do not have control over.

FYI: i am loving this discussion great topic. Here is my inspiration

[PxPxPx]

Here i think you went in to something else. And if you go this way you will never be able to as knowing everything in the world is not possible period.

And on the topic of free will. You know apart from humans no one else has the capacity to come out of its impressions of the body they have come in. Only humans you will find doing stuff or making stuff which no other creature on this planet could or would.

I feel humans are a combination of free will and destiny(in India you call it karma) - Even karma can be influenced to a certain extent but somethings you do not have control over.

FYI: i am loving this discussion great topic. Here is my inspiration [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miHaZLUyNPs

My height is contributed by my karma?
What is better being short or tall then

Also to add to this
Humans are the only mammals that willingly delay sleep, or resist it perse, could also call that free will

[vegetajgd]

My height is contributed by my karma?
What is better being short or tall then

Also to add to this
Humans are the only mammals that willingly delay sleep, or resist it perse, could also call that free will

Well everything is :) But as i said depending on certain things it can be changed to a certain extent.

And there is nothing like tall is better than being short or vice versa. its we as individuals make it better or worse. Height is just height.

Either you are tall or you are short. But when karma comes in to play so it might happen that if you wanted to be tall but no matter what you do you do not grow tall or vice versa you really wanted to be tall and you grow tall :)

[DashPHP]

I think free will does exist, but if your free will act is changing the narrative of millions, action would be taken against you.

Take Andrew Tate for example, he was cancelled because he grew too much power with what he was saying, and the system tried to cancel him for reasons well further from the truth.

If your actions of free will just change you and not effect the system, then sure, by all means.

[Koyote]

We have free will because we're conscious and capable of almost anything we can imagine in some form or another.

[Shelob]

Allaah has endowed man with a will power with which he can do what he wants and leave what he does not. Any sane person admits this fact. Thus, if a person does something that necessitates punishment in this life or the Hereafter, they will deserve this punishment because they willingly acted against the Commandment of Allaah.

It should be noted that Allaah connected everything with its means. In other words, Paradise is gained via means, and so is salvation from Hell, earning sustenance or being deprived of it.

Therefore, if a person pursued proper means to achieve something, they would realize their relevant goal, unless Allaah wills otherwise for any impediments.

Actually, much evidence from the Quran, Sunnah and reason attest to this fact.

The Quran stated many verses in this regard. Allaah Says (what means):

{[By] that We repaid them because they disbelieved. And do We [thus] repay except the ungrateful?}[Quran 34:17]
{For wrongdoing on the part of the Jews, We made unlawful for them [certain] good foods which had been lawful to them, and for their averting from the way of Allaah many [people], And [for] their taking of usury while they had been forbidden from it, and their consuming of the people's wealth unjustly. And we have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.}[Quran 4:160-161]
{And whatever strikes you of disaster - it is for what your hands have earned; but He pardons much.}[Quran 42:30]
As for the evidence from the Sunnah, the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) stated that one's lifespan is only increased by being dutiful to his parents and relatives, destination is revoked only by supplication and that a man is deprived of sustenance due to a sin he commits. [Ahmad and Ibn Maajah]

In another narration the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) mentioned that victory is attained through patience. [Ahmad]

As for reason, it is known that marriage and intercourse are necessary for having children, food and water are essential to relief hunger and thirst, proper clothes are needed to guard against the cold, fighters must be trained before entering the battlefield and many other logical occurrences attest to this.

Allaah Knows best