[XelXel]

Profile link
www.hackforums.net/member.php?action=profile&uid=2361662

Thread Link

www.hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5882181

(Short Description)
I messaged frutk to sell bitcoin to him, he bought 100$ from me with a contract, then asked if I wanted to sell the rest(160$) I accepted but he wanted to do with without a contract, as the newbie I am I assume it will be fine considering we previously made a deal. I sent him the bitcoin but he made an excuse that he cannot access PayPal and never replied back to my messages.

Description/Proof (Sorry for all the links you will be seeing)
I messaged frutk to see if he was interested in buying Bitcoin from me. He accepted and said that he will buy $100 worth which went well here:
www.hackforums.net/contracts.php?action=view&cid=9601

As the newbie I am at this site he asked if he asked if I wanted to exchange more. I accepted because I had $150 worth left.
www.gyazo.com/191f787ffcbbd108df6fac2e74260f42 (Proof)

I replied back and so did he.
www.gyazo.com/ede0c2e6c998014d511ea6f061cc00ad

He made the suggestion to do without a contract, I thought about it and agreed I assumed him to be a trusted person considering his Rep and that we previously completed a deal with $100
www.gyazo.com/6e567b6a98c566250404422864fa023a

I tell him that I will send it after he replies, he does so with another bitcoin address. So I send the bitcoin to that address.
www.gyazo.com/645f0568905a5bf5a7af78ddfaf63b9f

I do so and give him the TID: 8685f7d8fa6302131d105ff628107e4cb66378a825d286354f8b1245a5bf1826
www.gyazo.com/5684b7bb3a597e9d803f5a8eef05e330

Then the last message I receive, he replies with:
www.gyazo.com/64f44963922d8872195196a704ed8b06


I never received the money and frutk never replied back, he also hasn't posted anything in the past 4 days.

[Tempr5]

So you didnt use a contract? No point in posting then. make alert

[XelXel]

I only made this as a warning, I don't expect anything from it. Isn't that what you are supposed to do? I saw many threads on this page that made it without a contract.

How do I make an alert?

[Frost]

Sorry for your loss but HF won't give a shit if you don't follow their "rules", next time use a MM or be cautious.

[Tempr5]

I only made this as a warning, I don't expect anything from it. Isn't that what you are supposed to do? I saw many threads on this page that made it without a contract.

How do I make an alert?

OK sorry for your loss.

Always use contract!

[XelXel]

OK sorry for your loss.

Always use contract!

Yeah, I realise the importance of Contracts now.
I used a contract on the deal I made with him 10 mins before and assumed that it wouldn't matter because I thought the contract was a way of confirming that the buyer wouldn't scam. He asked to do it without so I went with it, I didn't want to break the deal down because I didn't feel comfortable.
Turns out my train of thought was wrong that no matter what you have to use a contract.
I blame my ignorance on researching the rules and the advantages of contracts.

[CryptoGeek]

Really sorry for you loss man. Hope you get your money back

[Vitani]

Since you did not use Contracts for the deal you were scammed on, this deal dispute is considered invalid.

I didn't want to break the deal down because I didn't feel comfortable.

That is the number one reason to stop dealing with someone. If something doesn't feel right, trust your instincts!

[Omniscient]

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1...64t4gUq9RA

And that's the BTC from your first exchange with the Contract. Looks like you must have sent it to a different BTC address. Doesn't look like you sent from the same wallet either, did you?

[XelXel]

www . blockchain . com/btc/address/1GZLByvchrgTfmaqeu49TnBS64t4gUq9RA

And that's the BTC from your first exchange with the Contract.  Looks like you must have sent it to a different BTC address. Doesn't look like you sent from the same wallet either, did you?

It was from the same wallet, and I sent it to the address that he messaged with which was different from the first one.
I use coin space it seems to send it from a new address each time.
www . gyazo . com/1892f3333e31a9ab479eaecf30b77a42

First Transaction 100$: a60cf369a68f380a60d7fe0e6a1bc3a9dffbb55905bf9a7dfd674219d7fd5be4
I Sent it to: 1GZLByvchrgTfmaqeu49TnBS64t4gUq9RA
He Recieved it at: 2018-09-18 12:45:05
Amount: 0.01388381 BTC

He then sent it to another address: 1KNHooZaYLrSLjKCty6dJbU9dNaFLYbxpj       (KEEP THIS ADDRESS IN MIND)
sent at: 2018-09-18 13:09:56
Amount: 0.01418321 BTC




Second Transaction 160$: 8685f7d8fa6302131d105ff628107e4cb66378a825d286354f8b1245a5bf1826
Sent to: 1Gc4BtExQWXRbJ57QwuMTo7vjFZF827cYu
He Recieved it at: 2018-09-18 14:26:40
Amount: 0.02514083 BTC


He then sent it to: 1KNHooZaYLrSLjKCty6dJbU9dNaFLYbxpj
sent at: 2018-09-18 15:32:09
Amount: 0.02506299 BTC


I can conclude that 1KNHooZaYLrSLjKCty6dJbU9dNaFLYbxpj is his main address, it contains 1699$.
He has made 5 transactions since he scammed me.

[Great Eight]

I am sorry for your loss, mate. That member should totally get banned. Do a quick search on the user, and you'll find that they scammed many times.

I am just appalled at that user for breaking the rules and taking advantage of the system by knowingly and intentionally avoiding using contracts during a currency exchange SCAM. The user had basically manipulated you into not using the contracts, to avoid them from getting a negative b-rating, and essentially avoid getting a valid deal dispute written against them. (use of contracts)

That is why I wrote this thread https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5887466 To get scammers like that user off of the web.

[Leads]

I am sorry for your loss, mate. That member should totally get banned. Do a quick search on the user, and you'll find that they scammed many times.

I am just appalled at that user for breaking the rules and taking advantage of the system by knowingly and intentionally avoiding using contracts during a currency exchange SCAM. The user had basically manipulated you into not using the contracts, to avoid them from getting a negative b-rating, and essentially avoid getting a valid deal dispute written against them. (use of contracts)

That is why I wrote this thread https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=5887466 To get scammers like that user off of the web.

Good work on the thread, always good to lookout for people like this.

[JTMBoss]

seems valid sorry for your loss next time always use a contract and if you dont feel right just dont do the deal.